Comic-Con Trailers Include 'Star Trek: Picard' and HBO's 'Watchmen' Series (cbsnews.com) 205
"At Comic-Con, Sir Patrick Stewart took to the Hall H stage Saturday afternoon to discuss his new series, Star Trek: Picard," reports CBS News:
The series will focus on what caused famed captain and admiral Jean-Luc Picard to leave Starfleet, and his life since.... Patrick Stewart -- who is also an executive producer -- answered questions about the show. "We never know, do we, when our best moment will be. And that is now," Stewart said. "I knew something unusual would happen. I knew I needed to be a part of it."
Stewart has been heavily involved in crafting "Star Trek: Picard" and frequently visits the writer's room... Brent Spiner, who played the character Data on TNG, said there was "no way" he could say no to the opportunity to work with Stewart again....
The show is set 20 years after the events of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" around the year 2399. This sets the series further into the future than any previous Star Trek series. But fans should not expect to see the same Jean-Luc Picard they know from "The Next Generation" series. During the press tour, Kurtzman teased that the show will be very different and "grounded." The series will explore how Picard has changed in that time, making him reckon with the choices he has made. Kurtzman hinted that there are circumstances that have "radically" shifted that have caused the beloved Starfleet admiral to question his life decisions.
The two-minute trailer includes a surprising cameo, and Variety reports that CBS has also committed to two seasons of Star Trek: Lower Decks, an animated series focused on "the support crew serving on one of Starfleet's least important ships." (They also report that Seth MacFarlane announced season 3 of The Orville will be moving from Fox to Hulu.)
Also at Comic-Con, HBO shared the first full trailer for their upcoming Watchmen TV series, a sequel to the original Alan Moore graphic novel. Rolling Stone quotes HBO as saying that Watchmen "takes place in an alternative, contemporary reality in the United States, in which masked vigilantes became outlawed due to their violent methods."
Marvel also revealed that their next Thor movie (Thor: Love and Thunder) will incude both Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman as Lady Thor, and shared footage from their upcoming Black Widow movie. And CNET has a comprehensive rundown (with trailers) of all the DC Comics superhero shows on the CW network, including Arrow, Supergirl, The Flash, Black Lightning, and Batwoman.
Stewart has been heavily involved in crafting "Star Trek: Picard" and frequently visits the writer's room... Brent Spiner, who played the character Data on TNG, said there was "no way" he could say no to the opportunity to work with Stewart again....
The show is set 20 years after the events of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" around the year 2399. This sets the series further into the future than any previous Star Trek series. But fans should not expect to see the same Jean-Luc Picard they know from "The Next Generation" series. During the press tour, Kurtzman teased that the show will be very different and "grounded." The series will explore how Picard has changed in that time, making him reckon with the choices he has made. Kurtzman hinted that there are circumstances that have "radically" shifted that have caused the beloved Starfleet admiral to question his life decisions.
The two-minute trailer includes a surprising cameo, and Variety reports that CBS has also committed to two seasons of Star Trek: Lower Decks, an animated series focused on "the support crew serving on one of Starfleet's least important ships." (They also report that Seth MacFarlane announced season 3 of The Orville will be moving from Fox to Hulu.)
Also at Comic-Con, HBO shared the first full trailer for their upcoming Watchmen TV series, a sequel to the original Alan Moore graphic novel. Rolling Stone quotes HBO as saying that Watchmen "takes place in an alternative, contemporary reality in the United States, in which masked vigilantes became outlawed due to their violent methods."
Marvel also revealed that their next Thor movie (Thor: Love and Thunder) will incude both Chris Hemsworth and Natalie Portman as Lady Thor, and shared footage from their upcoming Black Widow movie. And CNET has a comprehensive rundown (with trailers) of all the DC Comics superhero shows on the CW network, including Arrow, Supergirl, The Flash, Black Lightning, and Batwoman.
Ok, you have my attention. (Score:5, Insightful)
But this...this is the first I'm hearing of this... ok, you have my attention.
Make it so. Please.
Re:Ok, you have my attention. (Score:5, Insightful)
For me it's because it's actually about the FUTURE. This is an event that is set after everything. It's not an entire series of Retcon that they try to shoehorn into an established universe.
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Spoiler alert for Discovery.
Season 3 is going to be set in the far future too.
Having said that, Discovery didn't did a lot of retconning. It actually did a lot of explain why certain things that don't really make sense are so, such as why the NX-01 had better tech than the NCC-1701.
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One excellent thing about Voyager: Alice Krige as the Borg Queen in the series finale.
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The thing about Voyager was - I thought they occasionally came up with some very interesting ideas. Problem was, though, that the execution of those ideas generally sucked.
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Every interesting moral dilemma was ultimately resolved by firing an inverse tachyon beam at it.
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That is what they should have done, a Borg series, the collapse of the original sentient being society into the Borg, very dramatic with all sorts of story potential, the struggle against your own taken over.
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This Star Trek licensing conspiracy stuff is a thing of nutjobs. If it were true Discovery S2 could never have done the Pike TOS Cage episode. They used footage, they made the story a direct follow-up, etc. Everything revolving around Pike was from the Prime timeline.
I see this argument asserted all the time, but have never seen any actual evidence to back it up, other than ranting from that fool on Nerdrotic and the people at Midnights Edge who have been proven wrong time and time again.
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You can add Overlord DVD to that...
... all of whom I'm fans of, and with whom I generally agree. But on this licensing thing, they are, and always have been, off the deep end.
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This is all true, but it lends no credence whatsoever to Midnight's Edge's assertion, (which all the others have followed like lemmings,) that the licensing issue makes "Prime" different from "Canon."
For better or worse, it's obvious that the producers of Discovery, and I assume Picard, intend for their shows to be in the same timeline as the classic shows. As was mentioned above, you wouldn't have had scenes taken directly from "The Cage," (and showing Jeffrey Hunter; that was just odd,) in Discovery if th
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It saddens me greatly that the highest related results on YouTube for Star Trek are stupid right wing twats like Nerdrotic and Dave Cullen. Yes there are women and POC in Star Trek, guys - been that way from the start
Yes, but PATRICK STEWART (Score:5, Insightful)
Granted, he's getting on in years a bit now, but if he can be even half as good, I have some amount of faith he can save the show even if the script turns out to be less than amazing.
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Stupid, but funny idea....
Ian McKellen = Harry Mudd
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He is the one that turned the franchise into a soap opera. Prior to him, the enterprise had a "continuing mission" not a "continuing story." It is evident in The Next Generation, that became more and more like a soap opera as the series progressed, as he took over as a co-producer midway through. Deep Space 9, Voyager, and Enterprise were his fr
Re: Ok, you have my attention. (Score:2)
Completely agree. I am so fed up with everything having to have a story arc.
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Picard is set in the Prime universe, not the Kelvin timeline. It has been confirmed that part of the plot is the fallout from the destruction of Romulous, referenced in the Kelvin timeline movies, but the show is set in the Prime timeline continuing after that event.
Data could be really interesting. After he died in Nemesis (uh, spoiler alert) his memories and personality were preserved in B4, another Soong android. In the books Data eventually replaces B4's personality with his own, as IIRC there is some r
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How do you explain discovery then? Made massive use of the Prime timeline, using the Enterprise and Pike and Spock and even revisiting the events of TOS. If it was really that bad they wouldn't have built and entire season around it.
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But you just said it yourself, Romulus blew up, that is NOT from the Prime time line but Kelvin, none of that could have happened in the prime line as the Kelvin incident did not happen,
There is no Kelvin timeline without Romulus being destroyed in the Prime. Romulus is definitely gone, and there is no more Spock in the Prime timeline.
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The only time Janeway seems to care about the Prime Directive is when breaking it would being Voyager back to the Alpha Quadrant. Any other time, eh... screw it.
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The BSG reboot is the exact opposite of Star Trek. I like them both for different reasons, let's not pretend they're in any way compatible.
Re:This is not the real TNG Picard, be warned (Score:5, Insightful)
The real men are strong and aren't afraid of strong women. Man up, coward.
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Women are not attracted to white-knights and pretending to be one will not make females want to have sex with you.
I'm sleeping with more strong women than you are, Anonymous Coward. Maybe that's because I'm not scared of them.
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I wonder how long before advertisers use your line of reasoning to try to shut down people who hate commercials? I mean, they're already turning the shows into propaganda, so they might as well make more money with them, too, right?
I fear commercials. I have only a limited time to live, and I fear wasting much of it on meaningless, disposable, vapid commercials.
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Trump is an abomination, a cancer caused by the radiation of hateful anti-education thought by the GOP and Fox - deserving of mocking in pop culture. I wonder how many people would have trolled liberals in the 1940s Internet about "MOUSTACHE MAN BAD" when anti-Nazi literature was published. I further wonder if 60's you would have been mad at Kirk kissing Uhura and pushing the "interracial agenda".
And further down you're putting Orville and your vision of Picard in neat boxes of highschool-level political a
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Orville is classical liberal, but not SJW. There is a HUGE difference. Star Trek has always been classically liberal. But SJW-brand liberalism is a different beast entirely.
Let me illustrate with two simple sentences:
1) Women, gay people, and people of color are welcome here. Everyone will be treated fairly and equally. Liberal
1) Only women, gay people, and people of color are welcome here. They will be favored to ensure a fair and equal outcome. SJW-brand Liberal
To make it ever shorter: Liberalism is about
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Star Trek: The Original Series was as SJW as it got for the 1960s. It was far more SJW compared to the dominant culture of the time than current Star Trek is now.
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He certainly had some fantastic speeches, even when the likes of Maurice Hurley and Tracy Torme were head of story. Those first two seasons... God, that's still hard to sit through.
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Jeri Ryan looks pretty damn good. I wonder if she’s going to be a regular, or if it’s just a cameo? That could be a compelling sub-plot if they don’t force her into the stilettos and spandex.
Also - and it pains me to say this, because I hate what CBS All-Access is - this trailer makes me wonder if they’ve actually figured it out again. Or maybe Picard is just that compelling a character.
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Isn't this on Amazon?
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1. Does Canada count?
2. Does Prime work the same way Netflix does, where it doesn't matter where you signed up for the account, only where you log in?
As someone who regularly visits Canada, this could be a straightforward way to legally watch this...
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“We have great rates, so come spend a weekend in Vancouver! Yes, it’ll probably be raining... but you can binge-watch Star Trek: Picard!”
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Wow, that's a pain. Well, at least you can get it by subscribing to CBS, the rest of us have to get Netflix for Discovery and now Amazon for Picard... Or just Pirate Bay for both.
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Or just Pirate Bay for both.
Like there was ever any doubt.
Re:I gotta say (Score:4, Insightful)
That trailer was pure fan service. But don't be fooled. The trailer and all the ComiCon promotion leads you to think that old cast-members like Data and Seven of Nine will be series regulars. But this is super-SJW Alex Kurtzman we're talking about here, running the show. So I guarantee you when the series actually premieres, those old cast-members will turn out to have just one-off cameos and the real focus will be on Mary Sue women and PoC's. Picard will just be there for them to have an old white guy to humiliate, show-up, and kick in the head. He and those other old cast-members are just there to get the old fans in the door (because they didn't show up to watch Discovery).
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It's like you've never watched Star Trek before, or at least weren't paying attention. Women and PoCs have been _series_ leads already.
If you want to use SJW as an insult, you're in the wrong franchise.
And a dumbass.
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If you want to use SJW as an insult, you're in the wrong franchise.
... but probably on the right forum, unfortunately.
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Totally agree with you. Though I'd like to point out that all black films were a thing back in the 1920's.
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Well, Lucas didn't quite say that Red Tails is the "first all black film," but he came close. He claimed in a public appearance that it was the first all-black action film with a sizable budget.
It's a reasonably expensive movie. Normally black movies, say Tyler Perry movies or something, they're very low budget. Even they won't really release his movies, it goes to one of the lower, not major distributors...And this costs more than what those movies make.
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Patrick Stewart is a proud SJW himself, and he played Picard that way. It would be bizarre and out-of-character if he didn't continue to act that way.
The currently confirmed regular cast is 57% white, but the way, including the woman who appears to the focus of season 1.
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I don't know what your definition of SJW is, but it's wired.
Also did you forget that Worf murdered a guy and Picard was pretty much fine with it.
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My definition of SJW is the same one the rest of us non-SJW leftists are using. And we've explained it to you many, many times, Ami.
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Your definition of SJW is that you are right.
Picard is the original SJW, always fighting for what is right, taking the moral path. The exact kind of thing that pisses anti-SJWs off.
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Some prominent SJWs reject meritocracy entirely and *explicitly* (they reject it by name, wi
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Isn't a noted trait of SJWs that they try to promote their own culture and ideas of right and wrong as morally superior?
It sounds like you are really thinking of the equally unlikely Cultural Marxists, who for reasons that are only poorly explained (mainly to do with being Jewish) want to destroy other cultures.
The stuff about Coraline is untrue, it was a fabrication by Brietbart and other far-right press. You give yourself away by feeling the need to mention that she is trans - it has zero relevant to the
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Isn't a noted trait of SJWs that they try to promote their own culture and ideas of right and wrong as morally superior?
No. Well, depends on your definition of culture. They typically over-vilify the mainstream culture they live in (not the SJW subculture) and often excuse away (or whatabout-away) problematic issues in non-western cultures.
The stuff about Coraline is untrue, it was a fabrication by Brietbart and other far-right press. You give yourself away by feeling the need to mention that she is trans - it has zero relevant to the point you are making.
I'm sorry you're misinformed, but she's publicly put her name to this several times [postmeritocracy.org], and even the Contributor Covenant FAQ [contributor-covenant.org] had to address it by saying while the creators of the CC are anti-meritocracy, the CC itself was not. (...anymore. I saw a proported early draft of the CC that was exp
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No, I mean the cis white male stuff. Rejecting "reverse discrimination" isn't being anti-cis white, it's warning people not to try to use the CoC to shut down efforts to help people.
Rejecting meritocracy isn't all that radical really, the principal being that it's basically impossible to fairly and impartially measure a person's merit.
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Instead of accusing people of making errors and spreading misinformation, why not try to assume a minimal amount of good-faith and understand their argument/point of view?
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It was, to be charitable, rather sloppy of you to call something a Breitbart fabrication without addressing the other thing that was 100% true.
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Doesn't matter how hard it is to judge peoples' merit; there is no sane alternative whatsoever. Her attack on meritocracy is part of a larger attack on individualism (as further evidenced by her comments on reverse discrimination)... if you can't judge individual
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Sounds awesome (Score:4, Interesting)
"The series will explore how Picard has changed in that time, making him reckon with the choices he has made. Kurtzman hinted that there are circumstances that have "radically" shifted that have caused the beloved Starfleet admiral to question his life decisions." Picard's woke.
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This is Alex Kurtzman we're talking about. Did you expect any less? Get ready for big ole' heap of "Let's see how much we can humliate the old straight white guy hero."
Sad to see Patrick Stewart being cajoled into participating in this. It feels like disgustingly like elder abuse.
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SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
No, an SJW is someone that doesnt have any real oppression of their own, so focuses on the supposed real oppression of others, even when most of those others want them to fucking stop. They are the White Savior, here to save the oppressed, complete with the belief that the oppressed arent good enough to save themselves, because the White Savior is better than everyone.
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Because broadcast TV is dead. Everyone is moving into pay TV, and this is CBS's attempt to make their service worth subscribing to.
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Voyager had a fantastic theme -- the only series whose theme the late, great Jerry Goldsmith directly wrote for. TNG's theme was, of course, wonderful, being a remix from Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Deep Space Nine's theme was... just ok? That was when they gave Dennis McCarthy (series music regular) the theme duties, and I was never a fan of his. He also got to compose the completely-forgettable Star Trek Generations music. He still racked up Emmy nominations (for some reason) for his fairly bland Star
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Star Trek never needed to be woke. Back in the original series an alien-made copy of Lincoln refers to Uhura as a "charming negress", then apologizes and she states that there is no need for any apology because she (and everybody else) does not fear words. That's a powerful statement, but today it wouldn't fly because we've gone backwards.
A modern-day black person might respond that we still live in a world of casual, even systemic racism, still somehow alive and even gaining strength today. Someone in the 23rd century, LONG after the disappearance of racism (it was Roddenberry's utopia, after all) would have no threat from that attitude, nor would it sting like it might today.
And so it ends... (Score:4, Interesting)
Having determined there might be some final, dim flicker of the optimism, basic decency and fun that were the core of the original series and Next Generation still surviving, Kurtzman has obviously decided to stamp them out with yet another "grounded" series.
Any bets that Picard spends most of his time moping in a cabin (providing a short work day for Sir Pat) while some Michael Burnham type expounds endlessly from the captain's chair about how evil and genocidal the Federation is?
With Kurtzman involved, I don't give this project much chance for success.
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The TNG movies were utter shite (except for portions of First Contact) partly because they tried to turn Picard and the rest of the crew into action heroes, roles that they were utterly unsuited for.
just read description of "Lady Thor" (Score:2, Interesting)
So they're going to have a thor with vagina and breast cancer and the balding of a chemo patient? yet has "the power of thor" and "is worthy"....pffft, save that awareness shit for a soap opera
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spotted the manlette who thinks comic is good because it's the closest he'll get to anything with a vagina
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Trailer Looks Awesome (Score:2)
And Picard, I mean come on, Steward is so good. I'm re-watching TNG lately on Netflix, it's still really good all these years later. The quality of the special effects in this new show look really nice, can't wait. Only problem is ... I'm not paying for cable so not sure how I'm going to watch this. $50 a month for a TV show is a bit extreme.
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Brent Spiner, who played the character Data on TNG, said there was "no way" he could say no to the opportunity to work with Stewart again.
I'm aware that Data died and transferred his memory. But when I see Brent Spiner say he's ready to go back.... and then I look him up.... It seems a bit odd that Data's memory at some point was put in an android that looks like an old and overweight man. I mean I guess they can play with make up and do other stuff. But that was my first thought.
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Part of data's quest to be "more human" was, uhhh... getting old? Yeah, I got nothing. Hell, maybe he continued the Borg Queen's experiments on him from First Contact, grafting more synthetic human flesh on him. Flesh that will eventually age. More Terminator than Data. That would be a weird turn, but it would explain how an android would age.
But it does seem that, unless properly maintained, a real android's performance would decline over time. Parts that are in use, even metallic ones, degrade over time.
I
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Granted they could also just CGI his face onto "some schmuck" and have Brent do voice over? Like how they had to do for that Fast and Furious guy and Leia.
Or CGI-ing Superman's mustache off in the Justice League movie.
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[...] hough a big question in my mind - they show data in pieces and say he gave his life for Picard. Then later in the trailer you see Data alive and functional, so I guess Picard could have just put him back together and switched him back on any time? Maybe there's something there I'm not aware of, it's been a while since I saw TNG and hardly remember even the last episode.
In one story arc of TNG we see a possible future with data (or the brother) still alive (and smart).
But Lt. Com. Data suicided for pickard in "Nemesis", (crappy movie in the TNG universe) levaing his "dumber" brother behind.
Maybe pickard is playing cards with the dumb-gone-smart brother. Or is a dream sequence, or they traveleld to a strange region where data got reapired, or Q intervened...
You know, it has star in the title (star wars, star trek, you know), logic means nothing when some science mumbo-jumbo
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Wasn't Data's evil brother Lore captured and permanently disassembled? Whatever happened to him? Could that disassembled android be Lore instead of Data?
Maybe it's just a flashback, I thought there were identical shots to that one in Nemesis (ugh) when they found B4 on a planet.
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It's from Nemesis.
Data dies saving Picard at the end of the movie, but earlier on, he, (Data,) does a memory transfer to another Soong type android they found at the beginning of the movie, called B4.
In the last scene, they imply that the transfer was successful. Data also appears in Star Trek Online, but I forget if they explained it by Data's personality having completed subsumed B4's, or with a different explanation.
So there's a lot of ways he could still be alive. Which makes the disassembled android in this trailer even more interesting. I've been wondering if it could possibly be Lore.
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For that matter, I think Data also shows up in the "Countdown" comic that preceded the 2009 Star Trek, and which I've never read. And that, (I'm pretty sure,) is considered canon, whilst STO is not, (last I checked, anyway.)
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Data was always a less sophisticated AI than any random holodeck character. Good-bye, Pinocchio.
Well, Data was a physical creature, subject to his programming. He could have had an emotion chip, but the presence of such in Lore helped that android develop pride, hubris, and psycopathic tendencies (leading to the destruction of the colony where he was activated). Data was thus intentionally limited until Doctor Sung could fix the problems.
The holodeck, on the other hand, was not real at all; you could just turn off any character without issue, so the stakes were lower, and without it being 'real' you c
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The holodeck, on the other hand, was not real at all; you could just turn off any character without issue
There may have been just a few times it didn't work that way... Just a tiny few.
Well yeah.... but not by design. :-D
Data was limited by design, so the story went.
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Yeah, the trailer indicates that Data sacrificed himself to save Picard, which happened in the end of Star Trek: Nemesis. In that movie, near the beginning they locate another android, "B4", that is one of Dr. Noonian Soong's earlier prototypes, before Lore, who of course is from before Data. Before Data sacrifices himself in Nemesis, he does have a moment with B4 that is not unlike the end of "Wrath of Khan", where he basically provides B4 with a download of the information he has accumulated. At the end o
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Lore was created first. The "they created Data first" was the first lie (of many) that he told to the Enterprise crew.
He said that Data was created first and Lore was a more complete version (with emotions) created later, but the truth was that Lore was created first, but he alarmed the planet colonists because he was "too" human, and likely developed homicidal tendencies. Lore was in storage because Sung thought he could 'fix' him, but didn't get the chance because the planet was devastated by Lore's buddy
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It's been something like ten years, (longer?) in the timeline since Voyager ended. That's a lot of time for a person to grow.
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Closer to 20. Voyager ended 18 years ago (2001).
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But will she be naked and petrified?
Looks like we'll find out in Thor: Love and Thunder.
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I believe they mean "the past" relative to the mainline star trek series - as in, prequels.
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When he says "in the past," he's talking about succeeding Star Trek series occurring earlier rather than later in the Star Trek timeline.
Airing in the 20th century:
The Original Series: 2265-2269.
The Animated Series: 2269-2270.
The Next Generation: 2364-2370.
Deep Space 9: 2369-2375.
Voyager: 2371-2377.
Then, airing in the 21st century:
Enterprise: 2151-2155 ("in the past")
Discovery: 2256-2258 ("in the past")
Post-2009 movie series: 2258-63 ("in the past")
Picard: 2399.