Was 'The Matrix' Part of Cinema's Last Great Year? (bbc.com) 179
In 2014 Esquire argued that great movies like The Matrix "predicted a revolution in film that never happened," adding "We are in many ways worse off now than we were 15 years ago as a culture. We seem to have run out of original ideas."
This week two film critics debated whether 1999 was in fact cinema's last great year. Slashdot reader dryriver writes: Notable films of 1999 are Fight Club, Magnolia, The Matrix, Eyes Wide Shut, Three Kings, The Sixth Sense, EXistenZ, Being John Malkovich, Man On The Moon, American Beauty, The Talented Mr. Ripley, Office Space, Boys Don't Cry, Election, Rushmore, Buena Vista Social Club, The Virgin Suicides, Sleepy Hollow, The Insider, Girl Interrupted, The Iron Giant and Toy Story 2.
According to Nicholas Barber, 1999 also was the beginning of the end for quality cinema:
"The release of Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace proved that long-dormant series could be lucratively revived. Toy Story 2, the first ever Pixar sequel, proved that cartoon follow-ups needn't be straight-to-video cheapies, but major, money-spinning phenomena. The Matrix proved that digitally-enhanced superhero action could attract audiences of all ages. And The Blair Witch Project proved that found-footage horror in particular, and microbudget horror in general, could be a gold mine. As wonderful as those films may have been -- The Phantom Menace excepted, obviously -- they taught Hollywood some toxic lessons. Instead of continuing to bet on young mavericks, studio executives twigged that there was a fortune to be made from superhero blockbusters, Disney sequels, merchandise-friendly franchises and cheapo horror movies. And that's what we get in 2019, week after week."
He also writes that the boom in DVDs in 1999 had "encouraged studios to fund offbeat projects," ultimately concluding 1999 was "the year when everything began to go wrong." He argues that today it's a different technology driving innovation. "In the 21st Century, streaming platforms have made the small screen the home of fresh ideas, as well as for conversation-starting communal cultural experiences."
But film critic Hannah Woodhead counters with a line from the 1999 film Magnolia: "We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us."
"Nostalgia is often the enemy of progress when it comes to pop culture. We have a tendency to look back fondly on what came before, ironing out the flaws in our memory until the past is something that seems truly great, and even aspirational."
This week two film critics debated whether 1999 was in fact cinema's last great year. Slashdot reader dryriver writes: Notable films of 1999 are Fight Club, Magnolia, The Matrix, Eyes Wide Shut, Three Kings, The Sixth Sense, EXistenZ, Being John Malkovich, Man On The Moon, American Beauty, The Talented Mr. Ripley, Office Space, Boys Don't Cry, Election, Rushmore, Buena Vista Social Club, The Virgin Suicides, Sleepy Hollow, The Insider, Girl Interrupted, The Iron Giant and Toy Story 2.
According to Nicholas Barber, 1999 also was the beginning of the end for quality cinema:
"The release of Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace proved that long-dormant series could be lucratively revived. Toy Story 2, the first ever Pixar sequel, proved that cartoon follow-ups needn't be straight-to-video cheapies, but major, money-spinning phenomena. The Matrix proved that digitally-enhanced superhero action could attract audiences of all ages. And The Blair Witch Project proved that found-footage horror in particular, and microbudget horror in general, could be a gold mine. As wonderful as those films may have been -- The Phantom Menace excepted, obviously -- they taught Hollywood some toxic lessons. Instead of continuing to bet on young mavericks, studio executives twigged that there was a fortune to be made from superhero blockbusters, Disney sequels, merchandise-friendly franchises and cheapo horror movies. And that's what we get in 2019, week after week."
He also writes that the boom in DVDs in 1999 had "encouraged studios to fund offbeat projects," ultimately concluding 1999 was "the year when everything began to go wrong." He argues that today it's a different technology driving innovation. "In the 21st Century, streaming platforms have made the small screen the home of fresh ideas, as well as for conversation-starting communal cultural experiences."
But film critic Hannah Woodhead counters with a line from the 1999 film Magnolia: "We may be through with the past, but the past ain't through with us."
"Nostalgia is often the enemy of progress when it comes to pop culture. We have a tendency to look back fondly on what came before, ironing out the flaws in our memory until the past is something that seems truly great, and even aspirational."
I'm not sure. (Score:5, Insightful)
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I'm kind of glad they made only one movie. I expect that any sequels would have turned out very badly. That movie pretty much told the entire story that needed to be told.
Re:I'm not sure. (Score:5, Insightful)
That movie pretty much told the entire story that needed to be told.
If only the Star Wars folks understood that idea...
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The protagonist fulfills the prophecy, gets the girl, and becomes hopelessly overpowered. How exactly do you start with that to make an interesting sequel? Your options are either to find a reason to bring him to the real world, where he has no special powers, or to find some reason why he might get gimped in the Matrix (that doesn't seem like bullshit). Or to have a nonstop beatdown with no dramatic tension because of the boring invincible hero.
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The protagonist fulfills the prophecy, gets the girl, and becomes hopelessly overpowered. How exactly do you start with that to make an interesting sequel?
You shut down the matrix, introducing the world to millions of newly-unjacked people that cant be fed.
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Doesn't The Animatrix count as a sequel?
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Prequel in parts, parallel in others.
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Maybe its even better to just go straight to the WHOOSH for the extra LULz
https://xkcd.com/1627/ [xkcd.com]
Re:I'm not sure. (Score:5, Funny)
Nah, I think the bullet in the head was mid 2010's (Score:2)
I think the bullet in the head came in the mid 10's.
I thorogughly enjoyed all the Potters, (but got damn, those last two composers sucked..), most if not of all the Pixar stuff, a good chunk of the CGI Disney output, some of the Star Wars stuff was good,... ...but when china started funding movies and getting concessions to their.. "sensibilities"... that's when they lost me.
Same with all the wokefullnes. Not the way to get my butt in the seat.
How I yearn for a proper 2A piece like Red Dawn or Terminator 2
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Close, Bullet in the Head was 1990 [imdb.com] and I agree, it is the high water mark of cinema.
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Potter was something that had been in the works for years before and was written outside hollywood. Like LOTR. These were not Hollywood hatched things. Hollywood does not have the ability to come up with anything of quality.
Re:Nah, I think the bullet in the head was mid 201 (Score:4, Interesting)
Potter was something that had been in the works for years before and was written outside hollywood. Like LOTR.
But once Hollywood took notice of it, they made sure that The Hobbit was fluffed and stuffed into a trilogy full of politically correct imagery that had little to do with the original story. Also:
when china started funding movies
I'm going to agree with GP post, this was really the thing that made movie quality nosedive more than it already would have. Once they started to make changes both to reduce meaningful dialog to have less to translate, and changes to account for the sensitivities of the Chinese government, it became nothing more than Moving Picture Product, as in "cheese product". Hollywood is now churning out the equivalent of plastic-wrapped cheese-flavored yellow slices, rather than fine aged cheddar and brie, because China is an enormous market that will happily consume it.
Nah - it was 1960 (Score:3)
The last great year for cinema was 1960. I was tempted to say 1946, but Hitchcock directed a number of excellent films in the 1950s (including my favorite, North by Northwest) so I had to cover that.
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I appreciate you vacating my lawn, as I am definitely older... but I will point out that all those great movies (at least slightly) predate my appearance on this planet. I just happen to think they are superior to anything that's come out since I was born.
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It all went down hill after Casablanca.
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I was tempted to say 1946
I'll say 1946. In my movie collection from that year (in no particular order): Gilda. Notorious, The Killers, The Stranger, My Reputation, The Big Sleep, The Dark Mirror, The Blue Dahlia, The Dark Corner, Somewhere In The Night, The Strange Love of Martha Ivers. I'm sure to have missed something, but still no year since even comes close.
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Yeah, 1946 was the pinnacle of an absolutely amazing 6 year run. Lots of my favorites are from 1940-1946.
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-46 being the pinnacle, -47 to -50 still had a huge amount of great movies, after that it tapered off a bit.
It's all derivative anyway (Score:4, Interesting)
If you're going to ignore post-1999 films like Avatar because it's Pocahontas in Space, then The Matrix doesn't get a free pass either (it's really just the typical "Hero's Journey" story with good special effects).
If you desire artsy fartsy stuff with original stories, stick to indie films. Most big budget films by nature are going to follow a popular formula (usually Hero's Journey - once you learn it you can't unsee it), because the studios' goal is to make profit, not to advance art and culture.
I personally don't mind that Disney is remaking their classics. A lot of their older stuff hasn't held up well (especially Peter Pan, which I'm surprised Disney hasn't jumped on yet), so a fresh take on popular stories isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's funny how people whine about remakes like the original version of the movie is going to be erased from existence. If you'd really rather watch the original version, no one is stopping you.
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If you're going to ignore post-1999 films like Avatar because it's Pocahontas in Space, then The Matrix doesn't get a free pass either (it's really just the typical "Hero's Journey" story with good special effects).
It's not just a "Hero's Journey" tale. Those are everywhere and if done well the audience will never consider that angle. The problem with The Matrix is that people think it's original when it's just a mishmash of ideas taken from William Gibson novels and Jorge Luis Borges stories.
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If Gibson was writing The Matrix, the agents would have also been jacked-in people.
Re:It's all derivative anyway (Score:5, Interesting)
1999 is the year that copyright was extended, and in the case of Disney at least, I think there's an argument to be made there.
Disney cannot do anything original well, they can only adapt well. Their own copyright extension left them with no public domain to raid, so they have had to acquire franchises and, when there were no more of those, to adapt itself with live-action remakes.
Good movies are still coming out (Score:5, Informative)
Just a few days ago I watched Parasite, it is a new Korean movie, cleverly written and well made.
Personally, I think that what's declining is not cinema, but American cinema (and maybe American culture in general).
Also, matrix sucked, yes, that includes the first one.
Pop culture is supposed to be shlock! (Score:2)
The OP is absurd.
Rose tinted much? (Score:4, Insightful)
The brain forgets the bad over time. There was likely as many flops and b grade movies then as there is now. I will admit the rehashes and reboots are getting old but lets not pretend a bygone era consisted of nothing but gold.
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It's not like there were not any good movies post 1999 either, there were plenty.
And I remember when... (Score:2)
...Esquire was a great magazine instead of a way to sell overpriced menswear, print the same recipes for drinks over and over as if it was some kind of 'cocktail renaissance and push aging celebs next project. Seriously?? $250 sneakers and $150 Hawaiian shirts so you can look like a drunk Uncle?
Not to mention hypocritical articles talking out of both sides of their mouths. I mean right this minute their website has this article on their front page: "The Best Movies of 2019 (So Far) - From space "f*ck bo
Cultural significance of The Matrix (Score:2)
The main reason why Matrix is regarded as a classic nowadays was because it was one of the first movies to predict the future of the upcoming defining technological development in the 21st century - the internet. So did Star Wars for manned space travel. And The Truman Show for exploitative television and total surveillance. Each decade has a handful of movies that define the cultural athmosphere of the time they were made in and those movies are remembered as classics. Currently we live in a timespan that
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Also the freaky thing is that Asimov described a piece of technology that was a box that played moving pictures out of book sized removable boxes, like VHS tapes.
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Yeah, I reread the Foundation Series a few years back. It's definitely dated by its future tech.
Re: Cultural significance of The Matrix (Score:2)
That's the problem with sci-fi, no matter how hard you try to predict the future, you are basing it on today's knowledge. It's really hard to think out of the box with tech that hasn't even been conceived of yet. Look at the tape "disks" they used in ST TOS, or anything in Space 1999, ( just started watching this again on Military Channel) , we are limited by our own imaginations , writers, and film budgets.
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The first "book" was compiled from a series of short stories that appeared in a scifi magazine.
Also, in all honesty, The Foundation is only part of the true full series. From his Robot stories to his Empire stories to his Foundation stories. These are all connected. Its all the same universe.
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That's so stupid. You can't "predict" what was already going on!
What A Load of Crap (Score:5, Interesting)
Sure. Our glory days are behind us. It's all down hill from here. They don't make 'em like they used to. Cinema is over the hill.
Bullshit.
Whiplash, The Theory of Everything, The Imitation Game, The Grand Budapest Hotel, Birdman, The Wolf of Wall Street, Dallas Buyers Club, Captain Phillips, American Hustle, Silver Linings Playbook, Lincoln, Life of Pi, Argo, Moneyball, The Help, Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close, Inception, Darkest Hour, The Revenant, Hacksaw Ridge, Green Book, Three Billboards, Hidden Figures, The Big Short, Manchester By The Sea, The Shape of Water.
Not a remake, reboot, or spandex-clad superhero among them.
Re:What A Load of Crap (disagree) (Score:3)
I don't think "it's all down hill from here" ... I mean, not unless motion picture makers just throw in the towel and decide to quit making any real effort?
But IMO, it's not just some random reminiscing about "the good old days" to declare 1999 a real banner year for good movies!
I've always enjoyed movies, but I remember it was around that time when I'd literally hear about a new movie I wanted to see in theaters often enough so my girlfriend and I could go see one every weekend, and never regret spending
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I'm far more apt to wait until I see an interesting movie in the 10
and not that many great SF either (Score:2)
Plot? (Score:2)
At the time I talked to people about The Matrix. They went on at length about the special effects, but never mentioned any aspect of the plot. I concluded it didn't actually have a plot.
A large special effects budget will only get you so far. Without a decent story and interesting characters, you're doomed.
...laura
Re: Plot? (Score:3)
Did you ask? Did it ever occur to you that the special effects were just so good that that is what people talked about? I mean, the Matrix has a pretty solid hero myth arc. It's not like it's treading new grounds in storytelling, but it's a solidly put together movie.
Re: Plot? (Score:2)
Seriously, using humans as a power source? Talk about the most inefficient and idiotic plot device ever imagined. That's just one example of how dumb the plot. Real scifi doesn't allow physics that bad.
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Seriously, using humans as a power source? Talk about the most inefficient and idiotic plot device ever imagined.
So basically you ignore all of the multiple themes of the different stories in the script, and focus on the one detail that wasn't actually in the script, wasn't written by the Wachowski brothers, and was ordered to be put in by some brainless Warner Brothers executive who's only experience with writing is balancing a checkbook.
That's a bit like ignoring all the words you put into your slashdot post for the sole reason that your slashdot account number you didn't choose has too many 4's in it.
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I don't understand why you think the inability to stretch a concept over more than one film makes the original film bad.
You must think Jaws really sucked.
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The stupid thing is they could have fixed that in the later movies. I was pretty sure by the end of the second movie that the "real world" was really just another matrix, and since it wasn't actually real, then you could do stuff like use humans as batteries and scorch the sky and other nonsense. I was looking forward to how this would all play out in the next movie, but instead in the third movie they...uhhh....I'm not even sure what they were going for to be honest.
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But it had Bullet Time! And Keanu learned kung-fu. Woah.
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You could say the same thing about the original Jurassic Park. People talk the most about the special effects, which were simply amazing for the time, but people don't claim the movie didn't have a plot because of it.
Can we really blame 1999? (Score:2)
I mean, by that point it was already a long running joke about all the Rocky sequels.
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What's the count up to anyway? Have we hit Rocky XIII yet?
Re: Can we really blame 1999? (Score:2)
Yeah, but they were actually really good up until the last one made in that era (Rocky V). Once they made a bad one, the stopped for like two decades.
Reality is... (Score:2)
... most people are lazy, there is more content in more languages then at any point in history. If you can't find something it's probably do to your own narrow mindedness and shallowness of taste then anything else.
If you want orgiinal entertainment it's out there, but you got to put in some effort and not have it force fed to you by corporate marketing.
Re: Reality is... (Score:2)
And now that it's so accessible, I think we are discovering there is a limit to the number of ideas regardless of how much content there is.
1999 was a great year... (Score:2)
Re: 1999 was a great year... (Score:2)
That's just it. TV largely sucked in 1999. Movies were amazing all through the 90s. The cost of production, the introduction of the Internet, and new models of distribution play a large but largely unseen role in our tastes and the creative output available. We are now in an era of great television, but largely worthless cinema. That is why the examples you threw back are TV shows. Movies nowadays suck.
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It's all cyclical though. Look at the late 60's and the 70's compared to the action movie sequel obsessed 80's.
1999 was the last Great Movie year... (Score:2)
Cinema vs. Movies (Score:2)
He argues that today it's a different technology driving innovation. "In the 21st Century, streaming platforms have made the small screen the home of fresh ideas, as well as for conversation-starting communal cultural experiences."
And you say this like it's a bad thing...
There are plenty of interesting and original films being made. But they aren't appearing in Cinemas anymore. In my opinion, this is due to cost. Take a movie like "Office Space," which is great. Does seeing this film in a cinema add anything special that I don't get watching it from my couch? And is it worth paying $15 to watch it in the cinema when I can watch from my couch for less money in 3 months? Is this the sort of movie I have to see right now on a 60 f
Maybe it's the format? (Score:2)
Personally, I've much preferred television series over that period..you get a longer story, (when done right) real character development, and so much more in more digestible portions. (Of course lots of duds too, but the potential is there.)
I almost never go to the theater, preferring to watch a film at home if I'm going to..and even then I usually split it over a couple nights because I often don't have the time (or interest) to sit through 3+hrs. There are some great stories that fit in a 1.5-3hr format,
Re: Maybe it's the format? (Score:2)
It's the Internet and DVDs.
During the 90s, the Internet and DVDs allowed indie films to make it outside the art house. This led to an explosion in "film" making.
During the last decade, the Internet has pushed content delivery into our homes and so "prestige" TV is where it's at.
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Most of what I watch are series as well, for the same reasons. It has to be a really engaging movie for me to watch the whole thing in one sitting (let alone ever finish it).
We seem to have run out of original ideas? (Score:2)
How Star Wars made (and then ruined) modern Hollywood [gamesradar.com]
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Re: We seem to have run out of original ideas? (Score:2)
There was always spectacle in Hollywood movies. At least as far back as Ben Hur.
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I don't think Hollywood has run out of ideas. The ideas are out there. People seem to forget that cinema is an industry - a film is expected to make money, not just arouse nostalgia in the viewer ten years later. There are thousands of amazing ideas being presented, but producers are too scared to risk large amounts of money making films out of them.
Fortunately we have people like Ian Hubert making shows like "Dynamo", outside of the Hollywood system.
the matrix lolz (Score:3)
Typical wooden acting by Reeves, cliche plot carried mostly by special effects.
Not a masterpiece, schlock sci-fi with overuse of sequential stills
plenty of better movies before and since
No (Score:2)
The Matrix was part of the year where you got old and grumpy. No doubt that year kids started listening to music you don't consider music, started wearing shorts that show a bit too much leg, adopted hair styles which you think are ugly and generally your entire world is crumbling around you as you yearn for the good old days.
There is plenty of good cinema out there if you care to look.
Analog chokes out mediocracy (Score:2)
Pretty much the same thing applies to movies.
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Nothing much to add (Score:2)
Risk (Score:2)
I don’t think we’ve run out of ideas, I think the industry is risk averse and throw away a lot of original ideas. They prefer to base things on successful books/movies and things the masses already have an emotional connection to.
Just a statistical outcome (Score:2)
If you look at it like this:
What's the chance of a movie being universally acceptable as good, well there are about 500,000 movies in existence and Batman Returns is the top 500th movie and Dangerous Minds is 1000th, so perhaps in between there is where the cutoff lies as to universally accepted 'good' movies?
So actually putting the data of the top 250 rated movies in a graph, the average is ~3 good movies per year which occurred last in 2008. 1999 (5) was good, but not really an outlier compared to the 70'
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Recently bias is real, and it's spectacular.
I'm read some books on film history where the recently bias is less dominant. The seventies are usually hailed as the glory era for big budget experimentation, with some of the major projects also a showcase for swinging from the financial chandeliers.
Star Wars (1977) is often cited as a seismic shift
Betteridge's Law of Headlines (Score:4, Insightful)
What a perfect example of Betteridge's Law of Headlines [wikipedia.org]: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no". :)
Re:what nonsense (Score:5, Insightful)
No super hero movie is "refreshing". I don't to see the same fucking Spiderman stories retold every few years now.
Re:what nonsense (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, "unbreakable" was a kind of a refreshing take on this omnipresent comicbook superhero crap.
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Yeah that was decent. Glass was also pretty good.
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Evil superman from the stars.
Re:what nonsense (Score:4, Insightful)
Listen to yourself. You're claiming that multiple sequels, prequels, remakes, etc., of an original movie are somehow a product worth foisting on the public. This nonsense is exactly why I haven't gone to a movie theater in years. I don't want to see another damn Marvel comic turned into a CGI cartoon. I don't want to see Star Wars XXXIV. I don't want to see another decades old Disney property rehashed for the fifth time.
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If you don't go and watch the films, you are not exactly qualified to say whether the parent poster is right.
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"Yes, the matrix was great (especially the first two)..."
Listen to yourself. You're claiming that multiple sequels, prequels, remakes, etc., of an original movie are somehow a product worth foisting on the public. This nonsense is exactly why I haven't gone to a movie theater in years. I don't want to see another damn Marvel comic turned into a CGI cartoon. I don't want to see Star Wars XXXIV. I don't want to see another decades old Disney property rehashed for the fifth time.
DING DING DING !!!!
The first bite!!!
YOU WIN :
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Re:what nonsense (Score:5, Funny)
I prefer to think of Avatar as “Dances with Smurfs”
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Avatar is also responsible for kicking off the most recent 3D fad. To be fair, the 3D in Avatar was pretty well done. But because it was successful you had the inevitable copycats, all the movies that just used 3D as a gimmick, and of course all the 2D movies that were poorly converted to 3D after the fact to cash in on the trend.
Re: what nonsense (Score:5, Insightful)
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"I think the author was probably a teenager or college student in the 90s. All the examples of good movies they give were in the late 90s. I could do the same thing about the late 70s and complain that no good movies have been made since then."
You need to go back and reread the post. Every movie the article mentions is from 1999. The whole point of the article is that single year is the high point of cinema.
Re: what nonsense (Score:2)
Re: what nonsense (Score:4, Insightful)
It should also be pointed out that at least half of the movies listed, sucked.
According to? You? "Transformers was better than I could have hoped". Yea, I'm going to have to call foul on your ability to judge a good movie from a bad one.
Re: what nonsense (Score:2)
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But apparently you think that "sucked" is a universal thing. That really was a bizarre response considering your previous post.
Re: what nonsense (Score:2)
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The error you made was in the thought, "Hey, a cartoon designed hand-i-hand with a toy it is selling, is being made into a movie let's go!!!"
Re: what nonsense (Score:2)
Almost every movie on that list is better than almost every movie from the last decade. Fury Road was great. It's one movie.
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There was only one Mad Max movie. Mad Max 2 literally could have been Mel Gibson driving around in the Interceptor taking pot shots at people and it would have done well at the box office.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here, are you saying there was only one true Mad Max movie, or are you unaware that there was a trilogy to start with? Fury Road is #4 in the series.
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It was all the rage for movies and even television shows to feature car chases and races at the time.
1975 - Death Race 2000
1977 - Smokey and the Bandit.
1979 - Mad Max.
1981 - Cannonball Run.
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we live in a golden time of cinema
Fool's gold, that is. It's been all downhill since 1939. Sure, there's a decent movie every now and then, but that happens most years.
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How about just exposing the reality, nepotism has replaced creativity, hence cookie cutter content with targeted publicly preferred plot points, jammed in between pointless action scenes that tell not story at all. Why has content crashed in originality because the useless spawn of the rich and ugly breeding with the pretty and stupid has created a dearth of somewhat smarter than stupid and somewhat prettier than ugly uncreative useless idiots who can only churn out copies of what has gone before, really ba
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