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Sony Pulls Spider-Man Out of the MCU Over Profit-Sharing Dispute With Disney (theverge.com) 182

Posted by msmash from the how-about-that dept.
Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige has pulled out of producing future Spider-Man movies. From a report: The news was first reported by Deadline and later confirmed by Sony Pictures. According to Deadline's reporting, the break is due to disputes between Sony -- which still holds the rights to the character -- and Marvel's parent company Disney over revenue sharing from films starring the web-slinging hero. The news means that Spider-Man's appearances in Disney's Marvel Cinematic Universe films -- as well as crossovers from characters like Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man or Samuel L. Jackson's Nick Fury in future Spider-Man films -- could end with Spider-Man: Far From Home, released earlier this summer.
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  • Precursor (Score:3)

    by stealth_finger ( 1809752 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @04:27AM (#59108510)
    Is this just a precursor to another reboot?

    • Is this just a precursor to another reboot?

      You mean Spiderman: This Time for Sure ?

      The list of characters Disney doesn't own (no idea how out of date this is)

      https://screenrant.com/marvel-... [screenrant.com]

      • The article is from 2017. Disney now has access to the characters it got with the Fox acquisition like x-men and fantastic four.

        • The article is from 2017. Disney now has access to the characters it got with the Fox acquisition like x-men and fantastic four.

          I've dug a coupe layers deep and it all seems to be from now. Can you lead me to the 2017 article?

          • I've dug a coupe layers deep and it all seems to be from now. Can you lead me to the 2017 article?

            The link he gave, https://screenrant.com/marvel-... [screenrant.com], says right at the top "by Tom Chapman â" on Jul 08, 2017 in SR Originals".

            • I've dug a coupe layers deep and it all seems to be from now. Can you lead me to the 2017 article?

              The link he gave, https://screenrant.com/marvel-... [screenrant.com], says right at the top "by Tom Chapman â" on Jul 08, 2017 in SR Originals".

              Oh hell - my bad! Yup, I was looking at the wrong links.

              Time for the Wednesday dumbshit award for me...

              • Sorry, that is reserved for whomever came up with the most recent Spider-Man reboot

                • The Andrew Garfield Spider-Mans (Spider-Men?) were forgettable.
                  Tom Holland seems to be pretty good in the role, and his movies are more interesting. It's nice to see Super Hero movies that aren't about saving the world, or galaxy, or universe. In the first movie, the villain is a former construction worker who just wants to steal some super-powered junk, wreckage left behind from the first Avengers movie. In the second, the villain is a scam artist who tricks everyone into thinking he's all that, when he do

              • Time for the Wednesday dumbshit award for me...

                Wednesday is Hump Day. Just bend over and all the trolls will come running. ;)

        • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

          by butchersong ( 1222796 )
          Given the underlying social justice messages inherent in the x-men... it will be interesting to see how far Disney takes the movies. Looking at where Star Wars began and the direction they've taken it, the mind boggles at the possibilities.

          • Re: Look at Star Wars? No, thanks! (Score:4, Insightful)

            by Way Smarter Than You ( 6157664 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:37AM (#59108914)
            The Star Wars franchise has been shit since "episode 1" which opened with an awesome "two Jedi attack enemy base" teaser but then turned into crap for the rest of the movie right up to "let's have a kid blow up a Death Star because we've never done that before!"
          • they wanted another Disney Princess (TM). And, well, they got one. Rei is pretty well liked among little girls.

            See, the fans were gonna go see the movie no matter what. Disney knows this. They're after the most valuable audience in history: Young Girls ages 9-14. Girls that age basically stop consuming. While boys are buying sports gear, guitars, video games, etc girls are just waiting to grow up. They're too old to play Barbie but not old enough to drive and wear makeup (and more importantly _buy_ make

        • Are those characters more like plantation slaves OR more like prostitutes working for a pimp?
          Is Spidey gonna get flogged or will Sony have to choke a bitch if he gets uppity?

          I need that for the next time I talk with a six-year-old about intricacies of modern intellectual property and why a man on TV is now SupertrademarkmanTM and not that other man said child remembers in that role.

          Also, when explaining the inevitable replacement of Tony Stark with a guy who doesn't have to wear phonebook shoes during press

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by EvilSS ( 557649 )
        According to Sony, their Spider-man deal includes 900 characters from Marvel that were considered "spider-man" related characters.

    • If it's a Sony reboot, fuck it, I pass.

      So sick of this shit.

    • Re:Precursor (Score:5, Insightful)

      by registrations_suck ( 1075251 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @07:52AM (#59108818)

      They can reboot it as many times as they want. Spiderman still sucks. Possibly even more than Batman.

      • They can reboot it as many times as they want. Spiderman still sucks. Possibly even more than Batman.

        +5 insightful

      • Batman was fine until the franchise started to take itself too seriously. And many other franchises got ruined that way.

        • I disagree. Batman was most awesome as its most serious. The Dark Knight was most definitely peak batman.

          The days of bat nipples and Schwarzenegger spewing out one-liners while acrobats dance in the foreground are thankfully behind us.

          Unfortunately seriousness is not the only criteria and the current batman ala DC Universe has been MAAARRRTHERED into a completely senseless parody of himself.

      • Opinions are like arseholes everyone has one. My own arsehole says that Batman's current iteration is absolute garbage, and Spiderman finally got a decent reboot, to say absolutely nothing of the incredible animated movie that came out at the start of the year.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by bigpat ( 158134 )

      Is this just a precursor to another reboot?

      God I hope not.

    • Is this just a precursor to another reboot?

      It's worse than that, Jim.

      It's a reboot with a rootkit!

    • It's been about 45 minutes since the last reboot, so it's overdue.

    • Yes, new Mainland Chinese Spiderman is best Spiderman!
      Spiderman beats up Hong Kong Terrorists in new movie: "Taiwan is, and always will be, a province of China : Chinese Spiderman".

      I mean going off the fact Sony made all it money on Venom from China, that would make sense.
    • Spiderman is usually a teenager. At most in his early 20s. Yeah, there's the occasional alternate continuity, but those don't sell all that well outside the hardcore comic book fanbase. Even Into the Spiderverse's main character was a teen.

      What that means is your actor is going to outgrow the roll. And that means you're stuck with a reboot of some kind.

  • Myths are directly tied to our culture (Score:5, Interesting)

    by lucasnate1 ( 4682951 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @05:00AM (#59108540) Homepage

    Myths are a reflection of the culture in which they are told. Our culture is post modernist and greedy, therefore, out myths are subject to change whenever profit moves around.

    As a culture, we really should get better myths though.

    • As a culture, we really should get better myths though.

      As myths go, Middle Earth is damn fine mythology. Of course it's nearing a century old, so it's not from modern culture...

      The next movies based on strands of The Silmarillion could be excellent myths. Unfortunately they're bare-bones so the drooling morons at New Line Cinema will inevitably fuck them all up. Beren and Lúthien could be told as the most spectacular love story since Romeo and Juliet. New Line will see to it that it's as shitty as Did You Hear About the Morgans [rottentomatoes.com]. Shit, they'll probably

  • Do any adults actually watch this superhero shit with wooden plots and actors dressed up in pseudo S&M gear?

    • Re:Does anyone over the age of 18 give a damn? (Score:4, Funny)

      by registrations_suck ( 1075251 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @07:53AM (#59108820)

      Do any adults actually watch this superhero shit with wooden plots and actors dressed up in pseudo S&M gear?

      I do...mostly for the S&M gear.

    • Infinity War alone had a box office of $2 billion, and that's one movie from the franchise. You can't pull those kind of numbers targeting a single demographic. Part of MCU's success has been in pulling in different demographics with their different characters' individual movies and then throwing them all together in their high profile Avengers movies. The other part is that the people designing the movies actually know how to write for their audience and the Avengers movies in particular are usually very w

      • You can't pull those kind of numbers targeting a single demographic.

        Of course you can. That demographic is called "China".

    • I'd be so happy if this shit died off already. I didn't care for them as a kid and I certainly don't give a shit at this point.

      • Re: (Score:3)

        by Binestar ( 28861 )

        I'd be so happy if this shit died off already. I didn't care for them as a kid and I certainly don't give a shit at this point.

        Honest question here: Why would you be happy. Presumably something you don't care about going away would be neutral at best. In order for you to be happy about something dying off, it has to be actively or indirectly affecting you in a negative way, so in what way are you being negatively affected by the MCU?

  • Sony will give us another Spiderman origin story but adding in the pg13 Venom and a pg13 Carnage for ultimate watered down sewer sludge. The cgi will look like Jurassic Part part 2 quality, and may as well be directed by Roger Corman.

  • In other news... (Score:3)

    by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @05:57AM (#59108598) Journal

    Pig To Human Heart Transplants 'Possible Within Three Years'

    It seems that it was already successfully done a few times. The people in this story cannot be said to have a human heart.

    With apologies to all the pigs, off course.

  • Enough! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:18AM (#59108638)
    Don't we have enough Spider Man movies already?

    • Re:Enough! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Hodr ( 219920 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @06:55AM (#59108712) Homepage

      Do they still make a half billion dollars a piece? Then clearly the answer is no.

    • after stan lee died disney needed to cash in.

    • No, we've only had 2. Unless you count the whiny bitch or the one who can't look a girl in the eyes.

      Also why is it that people complain about a bunch of movies totaling all up less than 15 hours of runtime but will happily enjoy 70+ hours of Game of Thrones. Why complain about 7 movies no one is forcing you to watch but not the 238 episodes of Friends?

      At least with the most recent reboot has been universally good rather than shitting on the series with emo-man in the first version or girl in the refrigerato

  • Most recent issue, last weekend, UFC was $80, $50 to join ESPN+ (I don't watch the regular channel) then $30 for the fights. Skipped it, read the results Sunday morning.

    The Disney conglomerate represents about 40% of every cable bill (Disney, ESPN, ABC, Marvel, LucasFilm/Star Wars).

    I compare and contrast against Netflix, which built it's way to the top of the streaming market, rather that just buying other people's content.

    I'm pissed that there will only be two seasons of Iron Fist on Netflix, it's an amaz

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by isorox ( 205688 )

      > I compare and contrast against Netflix, which built it's way to the top of the streaming market, rather that just buying other people's content.

      Netflix worked its way to the top by
      1) Renting out DVDs of other peoples content via mail, which turned out far better than blockbuster
      2) Building on that to stream other peoples movies, because they understood the future and the beomouths didn't

      However now the content producers are catching up, Netflix has to pay more for the streaming rights, and has a lot of

      • A bit of a mixed bag Netflix, at least here in .au there are some very good Netflix produced shows, and a load of very average ones.
        However, it’s still easier to find free/ad supported streaming sites that have a far greater range of content.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by geekoid ( 135745 )

        It always starts with one show, why wouldn't you include that?

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by isorox ( 205688 )

          It was one film, to test the waters. A pilot if you will. Netflix didn't really start heavily investing in shows until they had made it big by buying other shows.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by meglon ( 1001833 )

      I compare and contrast against Netflix, which built it's way to the top of the streaming market, rather that just buying other people's content.

      HAHHHHAHHHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry, i had to assume you were trying to be funny. Built with EVERYONE ELSE'S content.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by geekoid ( 135745 )

      ESPN alone accounts for 40%.

      Iron fist is only a good show if you realize them main character is as dumb as a brick.
      The choreography is terrible and nonsensical, especially in Season 1.

  • I'm no Sony fan (Score:3)

    by backwardsposter ( 2034404 ) on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:09AM (#59109194)

    And they're my least favorite of the two. But this seems like it's completely justified.

    If anything, more like another example of Disney's tiring reach.

  • Somebody asked "Haven't we had enough Spider-Man movies?" with the answer being "If they're still making $500M each than the answer is no."

    Well, they're not quite making $500M a pop (https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=spiderman.htm) but what you can see is that the Sony non-MCU films have been dropping off over the years. No surprise because they keep bringing out the same product with what I consider more boring actors - Tobey Maguire did an adequate job if you were only looking at the '60

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by geekoid ( 135745 )

      Didn't Sony do "Into the spiderverse"?
      Yes, yes they did.

      Do you even think about what you post?

      All the Russo brothers did was make Spider-man an ironman with webs.

      • Take a look at the link I included.

        Into the spiderverse made $190M, which is the lowest of the eight Spider-Man movies, which is exactly my point.

  • Since the just want to turn Spider-Man into an Ironman clone in the MCU, I have no problem with this.

    • My guess for the reason why Iron Man, Black Panther, and Spiderman all ended up with the same suit was that it allowed for greater expression: a skin tight suit can just be pasted on to the actor's movements without much modification. This allows the actor to act, and avoids some of the surrealism that you get with fully animated characters like The Hulk.

      It kinda makes sense individually, but it doesn't work when you do it for all of them.

    • Iron Man? Iron Man suit.
      War Machine? Iron Man suit.
      Spider Man? Iron Man suit, but if you need the suit in order to do Iron Man suit things, you don't deserve to have it.
      Vision? Iron Man suit but it's sentient I guess?
      Black Panther? Iron Man suit but vibranium lol.
      Bruce Banner with ED? Iron Man suit!
      Hulk with glasses? Iron Man suit!

      Endgame sucked ass, and the MCU is effectively over.

  • The Mouse needs to die (Score:3)

    by hyades1 ( 1149581 ) <hyades1@hotmail.com> on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:59AM (#59109352)

    Every franchise Disney has gotten hold of has degenerated into crap. I'd have thought it was impossible to make two-dimensional characters even MORE two dimensional while simultaneously reducing the stories they appear in to formulaic cookie-cutter drek. Somehow they've managed.

    This is what happens when bean counters wind up in charge, and every single aspect of an entertainment enterprise is viewed through the lens of emptying consumers' wallets as comprehensively as possible.

    I don't think a lot of people expected that movies based on comic books and westerns moved into space would win any heavy-duty literature/arts awards, but at least they had soul, and a certain sense of wonder. Disney has managed to suck all that out, leaving nothing behind but the empty shell.

    In this wonder-proof, corpora-tainment world where everything has a price but nothing has value, I suddenly have a new appreciation for "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".

  • With great power comes great greed.

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