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Older Samsung Smart TVs, Certain Roku Devices To Lose Netflix Support Next Month (techcrunch.com) 170

An unspecified number of smart TVs manufactured by Samsung will lose native support for Netflix next month, the companies said in an announcement this week. From a report: Netflix app installed -- or available for -- Samsung smart TVs manufactured in 2010 and 2011 (C and D lineups) -- and likely sold for many years after that -- will stop functioning December 2, Samsung alerted customers this week. In a statement, a company spokesperson said these TV models were sold only in the U.S. and Canada. In its statement, the top smart TV manufacturer advised affected customers to look for a game console, streaming media player, set-top box or other devices that still support Netflix app to continue their binge-watching sessions. A Netflix spokesperson cited technical limitations for the change. The developement comes weeks after Netflix alerted several Roku customers that they, too, will lose access to the streaming service on December 1.
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Older Samsung Smart TVs, Certain Roku Devices To Lose Netflix Support Next Month

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  • Sign of the times (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Calydor ( 739835 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @03:17PM (#59391700)

    Buy, use, throw away, buy more.

    • I wonder what percentage of landfill "works".
      • I wonder what percentage of landfill "works".

        It all successfully fills the land, so I'd guess 100%. Maybe 0.1% gets blown away in the wind and/or rain, but then it's filling land in ANOTHER location, so still managing to fulfill it's purpose.

  • by wyattstorch516 ( 2624273 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @03:18PM (#59391710)
    Your smart TV is now a dumb TV.
    • Your smart TV is now a dumb TV.

      But you paid more for that dumb thing..

      Who's really dumb now?

      • The last time I bought a TV, the "Smart" ones were more expensive due to the subsidies the providers gave the manufacturer.

    • Your smart TV is now a dumb TV.

      Maybe they should just start making them battery powered. That way it'll just wear out and break before consumers can complain about lack of software support.

  • So now what? No TFA? WTF? A little more information would be nice, you know, not just repeating some article from somewhere else. At least post a link to it, please.

    Quality not Quantity, fellows.

  • Stuttering streams and weird audio glitches plagued me until I upgraded my Roku. I bet Netflix is just tired of trying to tell customers that it was their device, rather than Netflix, that was causing playback issues.

    • I bought a $50 small form factor desktop and run Sling from within a browser. Trying to use a Roku was painfully slow. Codecs haven't changed so the only answer for slowdown is planned obsolescence.

      • by spun ( 1352 )

        In my case, my old Roku just did not have enough RAM to buffer streams effectively. Not really "planned obsolescence" just the usual "devices come with more RAM now than they used to."

        • Quite true, I'm finding this to be the case with the older Roku streaming stick on my bedroom TV, it's been getting slower to start up a channel app for about the last two years and very bad now. But still working and I just ignore the popup dialog that Roku sends every so often reminding me it would be better to buy a newer one.
  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @03:26PM (#59391736)

    The vast majority of people replace their television (assuming they even own one) maybe once a decade or even less, yet most manufacturers treat them as if their lifetime was on the order of two or three years.

    This particular piece of news is only surprising in the fact that Samsung supported these TVs for a relatively long period. By point of comparison: My 2011 LG television had lost most of its functional apps by 2015-2016.

    • They could probably easily release an update to fix this, but they won't because they want to sell new TVs.

      Really, both Samsung and Netflix are at fault here; Netflix could easily just not deprecate their API. I'm sure they have their selfish reasons too, though.

      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        Netflix could easily just not deprecate their API.

        Perhaps their old DRM has been cracked and they need to switch to more robust encryption. But the old hardware won't support the newer system. But if Netflix doesn't upgrade, the studios will yank their content.

        Sue the studios.

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    • They are learning from phone manufacturers. Those old landline phones with the coiled cordset will last even longer than those old TVs.

      Planned obsolescence in a throw away society, it's the corporate way.
      • Even with cellphones, we might've kept our landline (and our old slimline corded phone)... if Century Link hadn't been trying to charge us $45/month for the privilege.

        • $45 a month is cheap, compared to the evil empire AT&T... I had been on an autopay program with AT&T for years so I ignored the billing statements for the most part. One day last year I did a financial audit and discovered the landline had crept up to over $75 a month, and I know that it was well below $40 when I had installed the line years ago. I disconnected it and now enjoy keeping that cash for other uses.
    • I still have a 2008 52" Sharp Aquos that is operates just fine, connected to a Roku Ultra since it came without any smart apps. At one time I had a matched Sharp Blu-ray player that contained Netflix/Vudu/YouTube and others, but it was always slow and then YT was the first to just stop working at all, then the player croaked; so I bought a dumb Blu-ray to replace it but now rarely slip a disc into the tray anymore. The TV is still going strong.
  • Pretty sure there's some legal precedent for suing the pants off a manufacturer who remotely lobotomizes your product after you purchase it. Something about provable harm, fraudulent advertising, fitness for purpose and so on. This rather seems to me like a manufacturer saying, "Your 8- and 9-year old cars will lose support for their OEM gas tank next month, which will no longer hold gas. We recommend that you purchase and install a third party gas tank in order to keep your car operational.
    • by bkr1_2k ( 237627 )

      Good luck with that. The primary function, being a television, is still viable so you're going to have a hard time winning anything in a court. At least in the USA.

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        Actually, I seem to recall a number of big settlements for this sort of thing. Of course, the lawyers get all the settlement money, in practice, but at least the threat of lawsuits gives manufacturers pause when deciding whether to put in a feature, forcing them to decide if the feature is actually maintainable long-term.

    • They'll likely indicate that the apps support was to "subsidize the cost of the television by use of partner programs" and that over an 8 year period of time those partner programs can change. They will continue with "You're lucky we gave you the subsidized version of the TV 'cause the normal version without the apps is STUPID EXPENSIVE and you wouldn't have been able to afford it."

      Then again, I'm feeling cynical today.

    • Except it sounds like the problem is netflix. Samsung is not responsible for a netflix change. Or in your car analogy, if EV's take over the world and all the gas stations go belly up, gas is going to be hard to come by, even though your tank is still fine.
    • self driving cars stop updates after 2-3 years!

    • Pretty sure there's some legal precedent for suing the pants off a manufacturer who remotely lobotomizes your product after you purchase it. Something about provable harm, fraudulent advertising, fitness for purpose and so on.

      Yeah, because software and hardware obsolescence isn't a real thing at all, right?

      And what exactly is your argument here? That a channel on your smart TV (that is otherwise working perfectly) no longer works? Good luck with that "fraudulent advertising" bullshit. Samsung sold you a TV, not service.

      This rather seems to me like a manufacturer saying, "Your 8- and 9-year old cars will lose support for their OEM gas tank next month, which will no longer hold gas. We recommend that you purchase and install a third party gas tank in order to keep your car operational.

      Yeah OK. Let's boil this down to what it actually is. Your favorite drink doesn't fit in the cupholder because the manufacturer changed the size of the can.

      Normally I'm all for car analogies, except for thos

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      • Actually, Roku had begun last year to mandate every channel app to guarantee a full startup within 20 seconds from clicking the icon, this caused some consternation with myriad channels whose developers had been bloating their apps steadily making them slower. In the case of Netflix, they were supporting several versions of their channel app depending on the Roku hardware. I guess they don't want to maintain legacy support for the older numbered-Roku boxes and the purple streaming sticks.
    • by JeffOwl ( 2858633 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @04:43PM (#59392058)
      You mean like my 32 year old motorcycle that can have certain parts physically damaged by even 10% ethanol? Where they recommend either running ethanol free gas or installing after market lines and seals, and a carburetor rebuild, and don't even think about spilling any on the paint. It wasn't the bike that went bad all of a sudden, the fuel changed for reasons unrelated to the bike.
  • (! smart) TVs (Score:5, Interesting)

    by red_dragon ( 1761 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @03:38PM (#59391786) Homepage

    I visited Dad this summer and while there he asked me to look at a TV in his house that could not receive OTA signals. It was an LG smart TV, maybe four or five years old, with built-in wifi. It errored out whenever I tried to do the automatic channel scan. Some online searches mentioned that it required Internet access (?!?) in order to do the channel scan, so I hooked it up to my cellphone's hotspot, but it still produced the same error after that. Further investigation showed that LG decomissioned the servers that the TV needed to download a region file before it'd run the channel scan.

    This, having a non-upgradeable embedded computing device dependent on the grace and goodwill of its manufacturer, is why I don't intend to buy a smart TV ever. The issue with these Samsung TVs, while not as bad, still represent a loss of service for owners.

    • This, having a non-upgradeable embedded computing device dependent on the grace and goodwill of its manufacturer, is why I don't intend to buy a smart TV ever.

      The goodwill of the manufacturer likely has nothing to do with it. Netflix has been migrating over from h.264/AVC encoding to h.264 high profile and VP9, and these devices probably simply do not have a hardware decoder that can handle such streams in real-time. A similar issue happened several years ago when Google switched YouTube over to VP9 - th

      • Exactly this. My "Smart" TV doesn't get to access the internet, and I've got a little Intel NUC pushing any video I need to it. It doesn't matter what apps the TV is running, or what hardware it has. As long as it can handle HDMI in, I'm good to go.

        The NUC has at least some upgradability, but when it no longer can handle YouTube and Netflix, it's not exactly an expensive piece of hardware to replace. However, that will be quite a few years into the future, I'm guessing.

    • They were nice before Roku. Now there is really no reason for them with Roku being something like $20 at Wal-Mart. And the "smart" TVs of old work just fine as a dumb monitor.

  • by magarity ( 164372 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @03:42PM (#59391800)

    A Netflix spokesperson cited technical limitations

    At a guess I'd bet that the processor, storage and memory installed at the time were the absolute bare minimum required to make the original version run. Now there's a new codec or whatever and the old cpu/ram can't be made to run it.

  • seeing the look on your face when a smart TV makes you look dumb - priceless.

    • A dumb TV usually costs more than a smart one. If I had to guess why, it would be that they get paid for/by the smart TV functionality somehow, either through ads or bundling. But buying a smart TV is still much dumber than buying a dumb TV...

  • by Socguy ( 933973 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @03:45PM (#59391828)
    Consumers! Don't buy all the bells and whistles when you purchase your electronics! Instead buy a good quality display that you can live with for at least a decade and use a cheap device like a chromecast or whatever to handle whatever 'smart' functions that you want. After a few years if the functionality drops off or new functionality comes out, just upgrade the plugin. Save your money and be more up to date!
    • How many TVs above mid-end can you buy without 'smarts'? 1? 0? I fail to see the issue, however, as long as the core functionality continues to work.
    • by dhaen ( 892570 )
      If I had points I'd up vote this post. Technology is racing ahead and you can't hold it back. Every year there are new codecs and streaming systems. It would be impossible for service providers to keep all those old codecs running even if the original equipment providers supported it - and in many cases they don't. Better to chuck a USB stick than a whole "smart" TV.
  • Give me a Dumb TV (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sit1963nz ( 934837 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @03:49PM (#59391844)
    I had to fight the store to buy a dumb TV. They tried everything they could to "up-sell" me.
    I did not want "smart" that would expire in a few years (as proven here)
    I did not want 3D TV (we see how well that worked out)
    I do not want 4K TV (its the modern version of 3D TV) I did not want a curved screen (stupid idea)
    I did not want a TV that would spy on me and what I watch
    All I wanted was just a plain dumb screen that I could make smart my hooking my own tech solutions to it.

    TVs are NOT a fashion item, there is no need to upgrade them to the latest technology wank idea, so they SHOULD come with a 10-15 YEAR free support guarantee
    • Which model did you buy, so those in the market for a dumb TV, will know what to get. ...assuming you *can* still get it...

      • I am in New Zealand and it was a few years back so I doubt you could get it, but is is a Samsung.
    • There are certain combinations of room/lighting layout and viewing distance:screen size for which a curved screen is ideal.

      Then there are all the rest of them.

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      • Pointless.
        https://www.rgb.com/display-si... [rgb.com]

        Also, when fast changing scenes happen the eye/brain can not keep up so it "fakes" what it sees.

        TVs are VERY careful about what they show on demo screens, most often scenes that do not change much and with HDR on vs HDR off for the "1080p" view People are also put into positions in stores where they are forced to stand much closer than they would sit at home, and so the extra resolution shows, but at home, more than 5-6 feet from the screen, your eyes can not
    • All monitors are dumb monitors. I'm just finishing up a project to get a monitor mounted as a display screen by the kitchen table. I'll be hooking it up to a Shield TV and we plan to use it for streaming video services and RetroArch. The only thing it can't really receive is coax, but since we don't even have cable and our antenna's broke anyway, that's no big loss.
      • Actually, it looks like it can work with certain TV tuners, so I could probably do local channels, too. I might actually do that now...
  • Hilariously, my PS3 Slim, which was released in the year before these Samsung TVs, still gets Netflix updates.

    Smart TVs are a terrible idea—the margins are already slim, and the manufacturers have no particular reason to keep them updated. That means ultimately, they're WORSE than a dumb panel because you paid for something that will eventually not work, and might interfere with your ability to use your TV as just a TV.

    By the best, dumbest panel you can, and hook things up to it. I'm not looking forwa

    • Hilariously, my PS3 Slim, which was released in the year before these Samsung TVs, still gets Netflix updates.

      Even the Wii outlasted some smart TVs in that department. The PS3 has way more balls than most of these devices.

  • When broadcast TV went digital in the US, it literally required an act of congress. It was considered such a big deal that the government had to pay for digital-to-analog TV converter boxes for Americans. Perhaps congress should mandate that if a smart TV suddenly loses the ability to become a TV, the manufacturer has to reimburse the owners for the new streaming media box they have to buy?

    • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
      In my area, I recently lost NBC, CBS, and Fox OTA channels due to some mandated broadcasting change the local networks were apparently not prepared for. I went from having about 30 channels available to 8.
    • by bws111 ( 1216812 )

      What a screwed up analogy. Broadcast TV went digital BECAUSE the government forced it. Since the government forced the change, they (not the manufacturers) paid for converter boxes. In this case Netflix forced the change. Why should the manufacturers bear the burden of that? Your smart TV did not lose the ability to be a TV, it lost the ability to receive Netflix. If your favorite TV channel stops broadcasting, is that the manufacturers responsibility?

      • by MobyDisk ( 75490 )

        Ok, you make a good point. So how about Netflix buys the box since they are the one who broke the protocol?

  • by dysmal ( 3361085 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @04:08PM (#59391928)

    Am I the only one that had flashbacks to the old "WebTV" when the smart TV's came out? It really is a matter of WHEN and not IF these apps on the TV's will fail.

    On the plus side, I'll be able to pick up a decent TV on Craigslist and use it for OTA channels now!

  • My Roku 3 had been collecting dust for the past few years. I recently started using it again when I moved some things around in the house. When I turned on Twitch i got a message saying that it was no longer an application available to download. It would continue to work but if I remove the app, it would be gone for good.

    Then I see this article.. what is going on? I get that technology changes but feel that should be easy to overcome with a software update from either side.
  • Good thing I don't have either or I might get mad about this
  • These "smart" TVs spy on you and only run "native" apps for a limited time until the OEM drops support for it.

    Sounds like a dumb purchase compared to a normal TV that has *one* job -- display content.

  • Sony just pulled this shit by dropping support for Hulu and Amazon Prime. Netflix is broken and both Sony and Netflix just shrug. Guess I will pass on that new Sony TV...
  • >"The developement comes weeks after Netflix alerted several Roku customers that they, too, will lose access to the streaming service on December 1."

    Only "several" customers?

  • There was a time in the US were consumers would have been protected against this, even as recently as the move to digital TV people at least was able to buy 'discounted' antennas. But that was the beginning of the end because that did not cover the full costs for a lot of people and the ones sold has issues.

    Many years ago you bought something, you owned it and it worked without an outside entity stopping it from working

    Once again all this proves is the US government has been sold to the top 1% over the ye

  • by fbobraga ( 1612783 ) on Thursday November 07, 2019 @09:19PM (#59392700) Homepage
    My old 32" "dumb TV" is a reliable "smart TV" since 2010 :P

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