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'The Matrix' Co-Founder Slams Ivanka Trump and Elon Musk (theguardian.com) 483

Andrew Pulver writes via The Guardian: Film-maker Lilly Wachowski has responded to Elon Musk and Ivanka Trump after the pair bantered on social media using a phrase from the Wachowskis' hit 1999 film, The Matrix. After Musk tweeted "Take the red pill" -- referring to a key scene in The Matrix, which subsequently gave rise to the phrase "redpilling" as an alt-right, misogynist meme, along with a red rose emoji normally associated with the Democratic Socialists of America, the party to which Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib belong -- Trump replied: "Taken!"

Wachowski then pithily responded, "Fuck both of you," before following up with a tweet supporting the Brave Space Alliance, which describes itself as "the first Black and trans led LGBTQIA center located on the South Side of Chicago." Musk, the South African-born entrepreneur who is CEO of SpaceX and Tesla, posted his original tweet with no other comment, but it is thought to refer to his clash with authorities in California over his plans to reopen the Tesla factory in Fremont, in which he was supported by Donald Trump.

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'The Matrix' Co-Founder Slams Ivanka Trump and Elon Musk

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  • Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kokuyo ( 549451 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:05AM (#60081504) Journal

    Redpilling is an alt-right mysogynist meme? Sinvce fucking when?

    The documentary that started the "association" was done by an ex-feminist having her eyes opened about issues men face...

    That is alt-right now? God damn it, I have enough boulevard "press" thanks to corona, I do not have any capacity to accept this kind of bullshit on Slashdot.

    • Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:25AM (#60081538) Homepage Journal

      Since about 8 years ago. It got so popular it was even used as the title of a movie about the Mens Rights movement in 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Pill).

      It's become popular with far right politics. Incels also adopted it but added their own black pill, which is basically nihilism. Both have been referenced by various mass shooters in their manifestos.

      • Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)

        by thadtheman ( 4911885 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:46AM (#60081580)
        A film produced by a woman who was tryng to make a feminist and Mens Rights movement film, but instead making it turned her into a mens right advocate. You can find her giving talks about it on YT, like a Tedx talk. [youtube.com] or the Rubin report part1 [youtube.com]part2 [youtube.com].
      • Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Interesting)

        by DNS-and-BIND ( 461968 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:12AM (#60082010) Homepage

        MEETING THE ENEMY A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movement | Cassie Jaye [youtube.com]

        She calls men the enemy. I wonder why? She also says she simply did not listen to men. She would mentally add horrible things to what they said because she thought that was what they "really" meant. Cassie Jaye didn't originally go in with a good faith attitude. She thought that MRAs needed to be exposed for the horrible misogynists she thought they were. And she ended up, after sincerely listening to them, changing her film. I think that speaks to her integrity and courage even more than if she had intended to be even handed from the start. And I think that kind of openness is a fantastic example of the kind of understanding that Rebel Wisdom is about. But she did not enter the experience with a good faith attitude.

        The Red Pill documentary being protested in Sydney. [youtube.com]

        "Racist, sexist, anti-gay! MRA, go away!" None of them have actually watched it.

        They got it banned in Australia. "Although we are yet to see it, we have since become aware of the controversial nature of the documentary." [news.com.au]Holy fuck this pisses me off so much.

        An interview with Rebecca Sullivan, feminist Professor, who has never watched the documentary, explaining to us what it's all about. [youtube.com]"Basically, it's just men who are upset that they don't get to rape women anymore." This is a legitimate, credentialed professor at the University of Calgary. Yeah you gotta see it to believe it.

        The irony is that Casey Jaye no longer calls herself a "feminist" - not because of the brilliance and persuasiveness of the MRAs she interviewed but because of the hostility, slander, and threats from the feminists she used to call friends and compatriots.

        How about that #believeallwomen, eh? How about that #metoo? Now that Biden is accused, suddenly it's back to due process and don't believe women because they lie about rape.

      • I think a few of factors have combined to associate "red pill" with misogyny.

        On the one hand, groups of people who are politically motivated to dislike any of the ideas associated with it will naturally misrepresent it as something worse than it is. Humans on both sides of the political spectrum do this, and there is no reason why "red pill" ideas would be any different.

        Furthermore, extremists with their own agenda, such as actual misogynists, jumped right into the community and infected it with their extr

    • by Kunedog ( 1033226 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:31AM (#60081548)

      After Musk tweeted "Take the red pill" -- referring to a key scene in The Matrix, which subsequently gave rise to the phrase "redpilling" as an alt-right, misogynist meme [theguardian.com]

      Yeah, they link the Guardian as if it's an authority on who is mysogynist or far right, rather than a consistently and deliberately misleading propaganda outlet on those subjects.

      How old is that /. Matrix red/blue pill icon attached to this story? Taking the red pill has been a meme for uncovering disturbing/uncomfortable truths for 20 years. It's such a tired and transparent ploy when the left tries to smear and "cancel" a meme/instution/whatever just because their political opposition has used it effectively.

      It happens over and over, even when they create their own intentionally partisan and sexist weaponized mantras [twitter.com].

    • Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)

      by DMJC ( 682799 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:55AM (#60081592)
      Redpill isn't alt-right. Redpill just means to uncover a truth. Doesn't matter what that truth is. It's the idea of waking up to the world as it is, rather than continuing in a comfortable but false reality. Yes, MRA/alt-right groups have used the term. But it's more akin to how the term hacking was stolen and repurposed to mean cracking. You can be redpilled by moving from being a flat earther to a sphere earther.
    • I do not have any capacity to accept this kind of bullshit on Slashdot.

      When I hear "The Matrix," I immediately think of solar-powered robots rising up, humans destroying the ecosystem to "block out the sun so as to starve the robots" and the robots subsequently breeding the humans to create free electricity - so much for thermodynamics - and everything saved in the end by Bill S. Preston, Esq's friend Ted. And "bullet time."

      *That someone who came up with the above story would want to have their dick chopped-off... seems somehow apropos.

      • by Megane ( 129182 )

        Ex-cellent! [Air guitar ensues]

        And I thought the dick chopping was in shame for making the "sequels".

    • Since ever.

      It's a staple of the extreme right to usurp popular topics and rebrand them as their own to pretend that "everyone" supports them. As soon as everyone notices that and moves on, so do they.

    • Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by markdavis ( 642305 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @07:38AM (#60081698)

      >"Redpilling is an alt-right mysogynist meme? Sinvce fucking when?"

      Since revisionist history became popular. It is pretty sad that anything interesting can be destroyed by twisting the truth and outright lies. It seems, more and more, that which the Left doesn't like gets declared "alt-right" and "hate speech."

      Why does Slashdot continue to post this kind of slanted and divisional crap is beyond me. It has nothing to do with "news for nerds."

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        Clickbait. Plus it gets the SJWs (AmiMojo and Avoiderman) a chance to become self-righteous. What is funny is that Musk is probably a SJW type himself, but he is now being eaten alive by his own people because he failed the SJW purity test.

      • Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)

        by Rockoon ( 1252108 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @08:18AM (#60081806)

        Why does Slashdot continue to post this kind of slanted and divisional crap is beyond me. It has nothing to do with "news for nerds."

        Because the current editors are a bunch of biased fuckbags.

      • Re:Wait, wut? (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Ichijo ( 607641 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:28AM (#60082068) Journal

        It seems, more and more, that which the Left doesn't like gets declared "alt-right" and "hate speech."

        Yes, the Left are very concerned about the increasing rightward shift of American politics. Even center-right Obama is now labeled by those on the right as "radical left", and radical right Trump is now considered mainstream. It's madness.

    • A red rose is also a symbol for the Right To Life movement.

      In the early days of the March for Life, and up until security requirements on Capitol Hill stopped the effort, young marchers would personally deliver red roses to legislators in their Hill offices. The roses symbolized the lives of the unborn and were also meant to encourage Members to support policies that protected and built a culture of life.

      https://marchforlife.org/march... [marchforlife.org]

    • The American Right Wing unfortunately is treating politics like religion. With an increasing use of symbolism and metaphors. So much we really can't keep up.

      American Flag with a Blue Stripe, The Don't Tread on me Snake... And my neighbor put up a flag where Trump is standing on a Tank. The point that disturbs me most about this, is this guy an ex-marine is showing this flag more predominantly than the normal American Flag.
      There is also a Purple and Black flag that I am unsure of, googling tells me it is

      • The American Right Wing unfortunately is treating politics like religion.

        The "left wing" treats it as a religion too, and all blasphemers must be eradicated

  • by Flownez ( 589611 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:08AM (#60081512)
    Just very dissapointed.
  • 7 out of 26 (Score:3, Funny)

    by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:10AM (#60081516)

    What does the I and A stand for in LGBTQIA and when are we going to add the other 19 characters? These people seem to have something about C, D, E, and F to just skip over them.

    No seriously though I just googled LGBTQIA to find out what the I and A is and found a reference to LGBTQIAP+, so I guess the Brave Space Alliance has something against Pansexuals, and the "fuck it we've run out of letters '+' " crowd.

    • "LGBTQQIP2SAA | An acronym for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, pansexual, two-spirit (2S), androgynous, and asexual."

      There, you are included, are you happy now?

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      L - Lesbian
      G - Gay
      B - Bisexual
      T - Trans
      Q - Queer (non-binary, neither male nor female)
      I - Intersex
      A - Ally (someone who supports the above)

      • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

        Asexual, not ally. You're still a white heterosexual man, the enemy of the people, the enemy of the Good and worse than Hitler.

    • by Pimpy ( 143938 )

      This is the problem with trying to create an itemized acronym from a non-exhaustive list. Perhaps they should have just stuck with "other".

    • Just call then the letter people.

  • by nagora ( 177841 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:10AM (#60081518)

    The red pill revealed reality, the blue pill left you in the illusion. I'm not sure how that gets classed as misogynist in a conversation about a factory.

    The Guardian is not the referee of language use.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )
      You're not paying attention. Go google some things before posting again.
  • Seriously? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Qbertino ( 265505 ) <moiraNO@SPAMmodparlor.com> on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @06:39AM (#60081564)

    My military-grade bullshit meter just exploded.

    "... which subsequently gave rise to the phrase "redpilling" as an alt-right, misogynist meme... "

    Whoa, whoa. Easy there. Someone is swallowing some 'gender-studies" coolaid by the bucketload.
    You got it wrong and I strongly suggest you educate yourself about the MRAs or the MGTOW movement (yes I know it's a silly name, but they've got a point or two to make) or something like that.

    A feminist documentary called "The Red Pill" is actually a good place to start. Curiously enough.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      A little bit of history for you. When it became unacceptable to be openly racist the racists started using dog whistles. "States' rights" is a classic one. They don't seem racist on the surface and if anyone calls them out they can have a long argument about what idiots they are for thinking that "states' rights" is somehow racist and imagining that racists consider them synonymous with Jim Crow laws, while the racists nod along and understand them to be synonymous with Jim Crow laws.

      Using memes is just a m

      • 'Dog whistling' is the new version of 'THAT'S RACIST'; it's the argument of last resort when the lefty has no real arguments for their position.

        Since there's no basis for the charge of 'dog whistling' besides the sentiment of the accuser, it can only be an attempt to shut down all conversation through shaming.

        For everyone else reading, if someone accuses you of being racist or engaging in 'racist dog-whistling', thank them for their surrender in the current debate. It's just another ad-homonym attack when they've run out of intelligently founded arguments.

        I swear some of these people have been pathologically conditioned to fall back on 'RACIST' whenever their destructive ideas are effectively challenged.

  • by Proudrooster ( 580120 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @07:02AM (#60081600) Homepage

    Meme Shifting Happens :)

    It doesn't usually happen this fast with the outer fringe, but I guess the writers at the guardian must be bored this week, trying to create a tempest in a teapot.

  • Why? (Score:3, Informative)

    by zik0 ( 450949 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @08:02AM (#60081764)

    Why is this an article? Belongs right next to "My neighbors had a twitter discussion about the M&M color preference of squirrels."

  • by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @08:07AM (#60081784)
    Don't know why you bothered.
  • ...ideas no longer belong to, or are controlled by, those who share them. This fact is willfully misunderstood over and over again.
  • How is this news? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by FictionPimp ( 712802 ) on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @08:29AM (#60081850) Homepage

    How is this news for nerds or even stuff that matters exactly? This isn't even news for anyone and completely pointless. Is there a story here that I'm missing?

  • So, after reading through that slap-fight of a summary, the big takeaway is that this is just kindergarten celebrity trash talk. I don't usually level this kind of complaint here, but this "news for nerds" really feels more like something that belongs on tabloid TV.

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