'The Matrix' Co-Founder Slams Ivanka Trump and Elon Musk (theguardian.com) 483
Andrew Pulver writes via The Guardian: Film-maker Lilly Wachowski has responded to Elon Musk and Ivanka Trump after the pair bantered on social media using a phrase from the Wachowskis' hit 1999 film, The Matrix. After Musk tweeted "Take the red pill" -- referring to a key scene in The Matrix, which subsequently gave rise to the phrase "redpilling" as an alt-right, misogynist meme, along with a red rose emoji normally associated with the Democratic Socialists of America, the party to which Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib belong -- Trump replied: "Taken!"
Wachowski then pithily responded, "Fuck both of you," before following up with a tweet supporting the Brave Space Alliance, which describes itself as "the first Black and trans led LGBTQIA center located on the South Side of Chicago." Musk, the South African-born entrepreneur who is CEO of SpaceX and Tesla, posted his original tweet with no other comment, but it is thought to refer to his clash with authorities in California over his plans to reopen the Tesla factory in Fremont, in which he was supported by Donald Trump.
Wachowski then pithily responded, "Fuck both of you," before following up with a tweet supporting the Brave Space Alliance, which describes itself as "the first Black and trans led LGBTQIA center located on the South Side of Chicago." Musk, the South African-born entrepreneur who is CEO of SpaceX and Tesla, posted his original tweet with no other comment, but it is thought to refer to his clash with authorities in California over his plans to reopen the Tesla factory in Fremont, in which he was supported by Donald Trump.
Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)
Redpilling is an alt-right mysogynist meme? Sinvce fucking when?
The documentary that started the "association" was done by an ex-feminist having her eyes opened about issues men face...
That is alt-right now? God damn it, I have enough boulevard "press" thanks to corona, I do not have any capacity to accept this kind of bullshit on Slashdot.
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)
Since about 8 years ago. It got so popular it was even used as the title of a movie about the Mens Rights movement in 2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Pill).
It's become popular with far right politics. Incels also adopted it but added their own black pill, which is basically nihilism. Both have been referenced by various mass shooters in their manifestos.
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Is this not the case? Do we have to actively apply feminist theory in order to be considered feminists?
Re: Wait, wut? (Score:2, Informative)
If you haven't gathered there is more to feminism, and the various views around it (because like any broad group there are various different perspectives in the range of people calling themselves that), I would politely suggest you could benefit from a bit more research, indeed.
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You just defined an egalitarian, not a feminist.
A feminist fights for special treatment, time and time again. If you've ever seen any kind of rally or any common feminist argument, it's usually around limiting men's rights without limiting their own, rather than raising women's rights. In my experience, they very rarely provide actual examples of actual inequality being displayed in first-world countries.
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Feminism started as a struggle to gain equality. For some people, they believe that equality already exists and any effort to gain equal rights is seen as an attempt to gain additional rights beyond everyone else. So you see a conflict even bringing up statistics because some people will claim pay disparity due to sex is impossible because we are already equal according to the law, so anyone fighting for the equal pay is just trying to get paid for more than they're worth.
A feminist *is* egalitarian, they'
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Re:Wait, wut? (Score:4, Insightful)
Standard asshat dialogue.
A member of your "group" goes against your narrative and you shun and attack them.
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Insightful)
The whole premise of the movie is that she was trying to do proper journalism instead of asking leading questions or interpreting/maneuvering the interview subjects.
That was the whole point.
That you missed it is not a good sign.
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Stating that you intended to be open minded and yet came to a different conclusion than you expected sets the stage for the listener to expect some profound revelations to come. It's a rhetorical device intended to make the audience more likely to accept your conclusions even before they have been presented. It is even more useful if your audience is already predisposed to your conclusions in the first place.
Ie, let's say I want to give a talk on Youtube (the source of all authority), and I'm going to pre
Re: Wait, wut? (Score:4, Insightful)
Journalists and documentary makers shouldn't have strong opinions and try to rebut the subject. That's how you introduce bias into the process and make the media untrustworthy. Journalists should be neutral.
People that are attempting to learn, develop scientifically and understand their fellow man likewise shouldn't have strong opinions unless they're underpinned by facts. That is off course a problem if your entire belief system is fictional, which applies both to strong theocrats and third wave feminist and social justice types.
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Journalists and documentary makers shouldn't have strong opinions and try to rebut the subject. That's how you introduce bias into the process and make the media untrustworthy. Journalists should be neutral.
Anyone who cares enough about a subject to produce a documentary or do a deep dive investigative journalism piece is going to have a point of view. Frankly I'd distrust anyone who was so vapid that they didn't form some kind of opinion. Biases should be made clear as part of the reporting, but they can't really be eliminated.
Re: Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)
>I'd distrust anyone who was so vapid that they didn't form some kind of opinion.
Good journalists should have opinions, they just have to keep them to themselves, and make sure they're not introduced in their reporting.
Just to day I was reading a news piece in the NY Times about children crossing the U.S. border being deported back to their country of origin. The title is "10 Years Old, Tearful and Confused After a Sudden Deportation."
The narrative arc of the article [nytimes.com] is that the U.S. government is somehow doing wrong to these children by returning them home. It begins by pulling on the reader's emotional heart-strings describing the last time a mother saw her son as she put him a on a raft crossing the Rio Grande.
Whereas in reality a news article would explore why the mother put her son on a raft with strangers in the first place, and not try to create a victim. Where what we have is someone (the mother) with some serious issues in judgement and wider societal problems at work.
It's clearly biased and invested in wanting the migrants to come off as the victims, and the U.S. government as the villain (with the explicit assumption that it's Trump's fault). But that kind of bias is increasingly typical in elite media reporting, and no longer seen as being something to avoid.
Re: Wait, wut? (Score:4, Insightful)
One of the overarching aspects of social justice that I've seen is the adherence to identity politics. I wrote the following and it should give you a good idea of what social justice should be and more what it's become today.
A progressive wants to improve life for all, usually with a focus based on class. A regressive wants to mainly focus on those ranked higher on the "regressive stack" (based on things like skin color and sexuality); if something is detrimental to someone lower on the regressive stack, but it benefits someone higher on the regressive stack, then it's okay ("the ends justifies the means").
A progressive tries their best to be "color blind" (as in, all people should be treated the same, everyone should have the same opportunities). A regressive believes that things like skin color and sexuality are more important than values or content of character.
A regressive will place those higher on the regressive stack on pedestals; you cannot joke or criticize these people, but you can joke, criticize, or wish death upon those lower on the regressive stack.
A regressive thinks in black-and-white terms with little nuance. You are either 100% with their cause, or you are 100% against. There is typically very little middle ground in their mind.
A progressive uses "privilege" to make people think about their position (i.e. "You (male/female) never have to think about which bathroom you have to go into. Other people would like to feel that way too."). A regressive uses "privilege" to shame and guilt, much like bad religious institutions (i.e. "Check your privilege!").
A regressive is fine with segregated spaces, but only for those higher on the regressive stack (such as black-only college dorms); anyone lower must 100% not have any space only for their group.
A progressive might respect culture but understands it can be fluid and not everyone celebrates all aspects of cultures the same (especially in melting pots such as the US). A regressive believes cultural appropriation is everywhere and that there is an inherent "cultural copyright" that only members of said culture can participate or allow others to participate in (while being uneducated about the origins of certain things, such as dreadlocks, or believing that only Mexicans can wear sombreros).
A progressive believes that even though people have done bad things in the past (or even present), blame is not to be put upon those that are part of those groups that did not take action in those things. A regressive believes in original sin (particularly for those lower on the regressive stack) and that blame and responsibility should be shared across generations and groups.
A progressive believes that, even if what one says is terrible and disgusting, people have the right to express their views. Bad ideas should be exposed so that they can be critiqued and shown why they are bad. A regressive believes that anything they deem bad should be suppressed at all costs; violence and censorship are perfectly fine to use ("no bad tactics, only bad targets").
A progressive seeks allies; the progressive and the ally may not agree on all things at all times, but will generally share a base set of values. The ally is an individual and is respected as such. A regressive seeks servants, under the guise of seeking allies; servants are not allowed to question anything the regressive says or does, and must always defer/be quiet/give up things or spaces to those higher on the regressive stack.
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There has been a great deal of discussion of the film over the years. Her claim to being a feminist is pretty weak as in the movie she makes little effort to rebut what she is hearing or use any feminist theory in her token arguments.
It's still fascinating though and shows how the rhetoric can be seductive.
I thought it was a good movie. Just watch the part where the guy quietly standing in line to see a book author (maybe Paul Elam?) talk about male suicide and other issues is being cursed at and called a piece of shit by a feminist woman just because she knows she can get away with it.
Saying "the rhetoric can be seductive" is dismissing the point of the movie. Men have issues too, and accepting that does not diminish whatever issues women have. It's not some zero-sum victimization game. Men have a right t
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:4, Insightful)
More lucrative?
She had people falling all over themselves to offer her operating capital when she was producing feminist pieces.
Putting out "Red Pill" basically deep-sixed her career.
But nice way of accusing her of being a mercenary instead of someone operating from a sense of honest beneficence.
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Interesting)
MEETING THE ENEMY A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movement | Cassie Jaye [youtube.com]
She calls men the enemy. I wonder why? She also says she simply did not listen to men. She would mentally add horrible things to what they said because she thought that was what they "really" meant. Cassie Jaye didn't originally go in with a good faith attitude. She thought that MRAs needed to be exposed for the horrible misogynists she thought they were. And she ended up, after sincerely listening to them, changing her film. I think that speaks to her integrity and courage even more than if she had intended to be even handed from the start. And I think that kind of openness is a fantastic example of the kind of understanding that Rebel Wisdom is about. But she did not enter the experience with a good faith attitude.
The Red Pill documentary being protested in Sydney. [youtube.com]
"Racist, sexist, anti-gay! MRA, go away!" None of them have actually watched it.
They got it banned in Australia. "Although we are yet to see it, we have since become aware of the controversial nature of the documentary." [news.com.au]Holy fuck this pisses me off so much.
An interview with Rebecca Sullivan, feminist Professor, who has never watched the documentary, explaining to us what it's all about. [youtube.com]"Basically, it's just men who are upset that they don't get to rape women anymore." This is a legitimate, credentialed professor at the University of Calgary. Yeah you gotta see it to believe it.
The irony is that Casey Jaye no longer calls herself a "feminist" - not because of the brilliance and persuasiveness of the MRAs she interviewed but because of the hostility, slander, and threats from the feminists she used to call friends and compatriots.
How about that #believeallwomen, eh? How about that #metoo? Now that Biden is accused, suddenly it's back to due process and don't believe women because they lie about rape.
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I think a few of factors have combined to associate "red pill" with misogyny.
On the one hand, groups of people who are politically motivated to dislike any of the ideas associated with it will naturally misrepresent it as something worse than it is. Humans on both sides of the political spectrum do this, and there is no reason why "red pill" ideas would be any different.
Furthermore, extremists with their own agenda, such as actual misogynists, jumped right into the community and infected it with their extr
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Scorched Earth Applied to Culture (Score:5, Insightful)
After Musk tweeted "Take the red pill" -- referring to a key scene in The Matrix, which subsequently gave rise to the phrase "redpilling" as an alt-right, misogynist meme [theguardian.com]
Yeah, they link the Guardian as if it's an authority on who is mysogynist or far right, rather than a consistently and deliberately misleading propaganda outlet on those subjects.
/. Matrix red/blue pill icon attached to this story? Taking the red pill has been a meme for uncovering disturbing/uncomfortable truths for 20 years. It's such a tired and transparent ploy when the left tries to smear and "cancel" a meme/instution/whatever just because their political opposition has used it effectively.
How old is that
It happens over and over, even when they create their own intentionally partisan and sexist weaponized mantras [twitter.com].
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Re:Scorched Earth Applied to Culture (Score:4, Insightful)
But seriously. A tweet from some insignifcant person (yes, that is what celebrities are, and since when did we start calling creators of movies "founders" anyway?). A tweet that barely qualifies as a slam ("Fuck you both" isn't even good comeback). And this is what passes for news?
Re: Scorched Earth Applied to Culture (Score:2)
You added the word "exclusively", though, not them.
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...and his politics are fairly hard right, at least judging by his tweets
Being against totalitarianism (much less retarded totalitarianism) is always "hard right" to a drooling partisan, unless, of course, it's "hard left."
*Musk is obviously a practicalist with socially-liberal leanings, and you're - as always - nothing more than a drooling partisan.
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Musk's ideas are probably best described as Randian. He seems to consider himself and people like him worthy of special consideration.
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You are wrong to suggest that they said the meme is exclusive to misogynists. They don't say that anywhere in their article which makes your argument a straw man.
It looks to me like the GP conflated the summary with the article. Understandable, since slashdot publishes so many summaries that are actually excerpts. And for that to make the argument a straw man, it would have to imply something further; an argument would have to rest on the statement. And calling every wrong statement a specific logical fallacy is a trope of its own.
Re:Scorched Earth Applied to Culture (Score:4, Insightful)
The guy who is leading the electric car industry is right wing? God, the ideological cannibalism is intense. I'm told daily how conservatives hate green energy and deny climate change, how they are the only ones contributing to pollution and environmental irresponsibility. Then in the early 2000's one guy actually tries to make eco friendly cars work and does it. Shows up the entire auto industry who have been claiming it cant be done. Becomes a green energy icon. His cars usurp the Prius as the unofficial car of California. And you have the gall to call him conservative?
I try to be pretty even keeled on this stuff but when people accuse internet liberals of eating their own they aren't exaggerating. This is shockingly Machiavellian. The minute your golden boy has friction with someone even slightly more virtuous in your eyes and he is #1 enemy of the state. How can you take yourself seriously? The world is more complicated and nuanced than you think it is. People are allowed to have a range of opinions on topics. And just because you disagree with them on one thing does not make them your enemy.
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[quote]No you're not. Why on earth did you make that up?[/quote]
Yes I do. I even see it on /. although its more common on other sites.
[quote]hat all depends on his political views. Making electric cars is a business decision, it's not a political position.[/quote]
It has most certainly been made into one. Tesla even panders to it in their marketing. And morons deface their cars for the same reason.
[quote]The histrionics are strong in this one. Yesssssss.[/quote]
Please. I'm not the one making wild claims such
Re:Scorched Earth Applied to Culture (Score:5, Insightful)
The validity of the issue is precisely owing to the quality of faith underlying the change. Discriminating against Hitler moustaches is a good-faith move. Massive, heavily-moneyed campaigns of organized "influencers" who team up to propagate new "social constructs" in a deliberate attempts to artifice social change is done in bad faith. It's literally top-down astroturf social-engineering done on the pretenses of fighting Nazis.
Ever notice how nobody throws around Godwin's Law anymore? It's because we've all, collectively, arrived at it's natural conclusion and passed into some kind of post-Universal-Godwin social reality. All of society is basically puppeted around by the threads of a) fearing the accusation of being a Nazi, or b) insufficiently fighting against the rise of their opponents who are Nazis. These mechanisms work really well, so they are used in bad faith for short-term expedience. But they'll burn out with fatigue, and then who knows what comes next?
The issues with people using the red pill or pepe the frog are totally invalid, and people should resist this sort of runaway, shame-and-fear based social-media policing.
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All cracking is hacking, but not all hacking is cracking. There are relationships between words other than synonymity.
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I do not have any capacity to accept this kind of bullshit on Slashdot.
When I hear "The Matrix," I immediately think of solar-powered robots rising up, humans destroying the ecosystem to "block out the sun so as to starve the robots" and the robots subsequently breeding the humans to create free electricity - so much for thermodynamics - and everything saved in the end by Bill S. Preston, Esq's friend Ted. And "bullet time."
*That someone who came up with the above story would want to have their dick chopped-off... seems somehow apropos.
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Ex-cellent! [Air guitar ensues]
And I thought the dick chopping was in shame for making the "sequels".
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Since ever.
It's a staple of the extreme right to usurp popular topics and rebrand them as their own to pretend that "everyone" supports them. As soon as everyone notices that and moves on, so do they.
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:4, Insightful)
And if you're so far right that Hitler is somewhat "moderate" to you, everyone looks like a commie.
The joke is that everyone thinks that they're moderates. No matter where they are actually on the political spectrum, most people will consider themselves to be "the middle ground". Very, very few people actually are. And even if you are, you are locally, not globally. From an European point of view, there is no middle in the US. There certainly is no left. What you have over there would be considered a liberal right wing party and a conservative right wing party. Yes, no matter how much you call Sanders a "socialist", if he'd try to join some socialist parties in Europe, he'd be lumped into their right spectrum.
You can try it yourself. Ask yourself where you'd put yourself on the political spectrum, then go and do one of those swell "where on the political spectrum are you" tests. And when you're done and get the result, complain that the test was clearly made by a liberal/conservative/nazi/commie because it considers you way more right/left than you "really" are...
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Insightful)
>"Redpilling is an alt-right mysogynist meme? Sinvce fucking when?"
Since revisionist history became popular. It is pretty sad that anything interesting can be destroyed by twisting the truth and outright lies. It seems, more and more, that which the Left doesn't like gets declared "alt-right" and "hate speech."
Why does Slashdot continue to post this kind of slanted and divisional crap is beyond me. It has nothing to do with "news for nerds."
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Clickbait. Plus it gets the SJWs (AmiMojo and Avoiderman) a chance to become self-righteous. What is funny is that Musk is probably a SJW type himself, but he is now being eaten alive by his own people because he failed the SJW purity test.
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Informative)
Why does Slashdot continue to post this kind of slanted and divisional crap is beyond me. It has nothing to do with "news for nerds."
Because the current editors are a bunch of biased fuckbags.
Reuters and AP unbiased? ROFL! (Score:3)
Reuters and AP unbiased? ROFL!
They may be about the middle of the pack of the mainstream media, and better on accuracy than most. (And Reuters, at least, tries very hard to be unbiased - in their own perception.) But that doesn't mean unbiased, by a long shot. It just gives you a notion of the position of their bias.
A free press isn't about any particular news oper
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, the Left are very concerned about the increasing rightward shift of American politics. Even center-right Obama is now labeled by those on the right as "radical left", and radical right Trump is now considered mainstream. It's madness.
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In the early days of the March for Life, and up until security requirements on Capitol Hill stopped the effort, young marchers would personally deliver red roses to legislators in their Hill offices. The roses symbolized the lives of the unborn and were also meant to encourage Members to support policies that protected and built a culture of life.
https://marchforlife.org/march... [marchforlife.org]
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The American Right Wing unfortunately is treating politics like religion. With an increasing use of symbolism and metaphors. So much we really can't keep up.
American Flag with a Blue Stripe, The Don't Tread on me Snake... And my neighbor put up a flag where Trump is standing on a Tank. The point that disturbs me most about this, is this guy an ex-marine is showing this flag more predominantly than the normal American Flag.
There is also a Purple and Black flag that I am unsure of, googling tells me it is
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The American Right Wing unfortunately is treating politics like religion.
The "left wing" treats it as a religion too, and all blasphemers must be eradicated
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:4, Funny)
You must be joking. Antifa protests regularly turn violent, for example. How many cops were shot in Black Lives Matter protests?
Left-wing people look at guns as if they are talismans of evil magic. See your post as an example. If that's not blind religious thinking I'm a penguin.
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Insightful)
They also use l33tspeak as you do in your name. So by the same logic, you're obviously alt-right.
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No they don't?
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:4, Informative)
No, it isn't. You're using '3' instead of 'e', '4' instead of 'a', and '0' instead of 'o' (along with the usual mispronunciations) - all of which are standard features of 'l33tspeak'.
The fact that you swapped the first letters of two words commonly used does not mean you have "inverted" l33tspeak, or done anything - other than simulate a Spoonerism.
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Insightful)
Ah, "dog whistles". This is how the left tries to ban any meme at all. We all know the left can't meme, so when any meme becomes popular then "dog whistle" and bang you're a racist.
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You know incel is basically a synonymous for ugly, right?
When you use it as a insult, you're basically being quite discriminatory against well everyone that "is not fit for sex".
Re:Wait, wut? (Score:5, Insightful)
You know incel is basically a synonymous for ugly, right?
Incels have deeply ugly personalities such that prospective partner would touch them with a 10 foot barge pole. Who is going to want to go into a position of trust and vulnerability with someone who worships Elliot Rodger, and appears to hate the people they want relationships with from the depths of their hearts? No one, that's who and yet the incels blame it quite incorrectly on looks.
Look around and be empirical. There are plenty of ugly people having sex and relationships. It's not looks.
When you use it as a insult, you're basically being quite discriminatory against well everyone that "is not fit for sex".
"utterly shit person" is not a protected class, and neither should it be.
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It's quite easy to just get a group of people, put in a blender and judge em all by the worst that comes from the goo.
But you end doing some quite horrible mistakes with this, like killing 6 million of em.
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But you end doing some quite horrible mistakes with this, like killing 6 million of em.
Innovative use of the Hitler card. Well played, my man, I did nazi that coming.
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It's the worst that this kind of politics can do as far i know.
You reduce humans to strawmen, you get the worst of the group and apply to all to em and suddenly its fine to exterminate the whole group.
Happens everytime we get too lazy to see people as people.
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The number of men in the world who are involuntarily celibate is huge, and most of them don't speak English and aren't horrible people. It's utterly shit of you to judge this unprivileged identity group by the worst of the worst of this English speaking members.
Don't believe that every member of a group is as bad as it's worst 5 percent. If you do, you're probably among the worst 5 percent of whatever group you're in.
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I'm going to meet both half-way and call this person "Andlly".
I'm not even angry Slashdot. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Because it's another Musk story? I know, can we stop talking about that guy for a week please...
Re:I'm not even angry Slashdot. (Score:4, Insightful)
I think you misunderstand how this works.
The trolls aren't hiding. They're hard at work providing broken windows for the repairing.
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What does the I and A stand for in LGBTQIA and when are we going to add the other 19 characters? These people seem to have something about C, D, E, and F to just skip over them.
No seriously though I just googled LGBTQIA to find out what the I and A is and found a reference to LGBTQIAP+, so I guess the Brave Space Alliance has something against Pansexuals, and the "fuck it we've run out of letters '+' " crowd.
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"LGBTQQIP2SAA | An acronym for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex, pansexual, two-spirit (2S), androgynous, and asexual."
There, you are included, are you happy now?
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The first three are sexual orientations. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. They don't fit in the same list.
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So is cancer, yet cancer isn't included. Why is that? Intersex is included and it's a medical condition, so why not, say, leprosy? But intersex is from birth...but trans isn't and cannot be.
Also, there is a distinction between gender dysphoria and trans. Not all gender dysphoric people are trans.
The argument for T is one of inclusion, not to what extent something is a "thing". Pansexual isn't a "thing", it's a term that only exists because "sexual orientation" has been redefined, by some, to mean "attr
Re: 7 out of 26 (Score:4, Insightful)
And does having a letter in the middle of an alphabet soup actually help? Like, really?
The longer that acronym gets, the less seriously it's going to get taken. The more it tries to encompass the less its members will ever be able to agree. It's like feature bloat in a tiny text editor that ends up also being a calculator, an image editor, a music player, and a card game.
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It's much worse.
The piling on of letters is an artifact of the corruption of language used to promote agendas of special interest groups, and worse yet, the original few letters were redundant to begin with. Furthermore, if you're gonna add Q(ueer) why even have the other letters in the first place? Isn't "queer" a slur to avoid? What's next, adding an N to the end of the NAACP?
And no, this isn't a homophobic rant. Gay people need a voice that represents their interests. Increasingly LGBT* isn't it; gay
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A trans person presenting as female does not want to be called trans nor do they want any other special category. They want to simply be accepted as female.
A trans person presenting as make does not want to be called trans not do they want any other special category. They want to simply be accepted as male.
The left is fucking disgusting. Nobody fucking elected the gay and les
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L - Lesbian
G - Gay
B - Bisexual
T - Trans
Q - Queer (non-binary, neither male nor female)
I - Intersex
A - Ally (someone who supports the above)
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Asexual, not ally. You're still a white heterosexual man, the enemy of the people, the enemy of the Good and worse than Hitler.
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This is the problem with trying to create an itemized acronym from a non-exhaustive list. Perhaps they should have just stuck with "other".
Re: 7 out of 26 (Score:3)
Just call then the letter people.
I don't think that's what that means (Score:5, Insightful)
The red pill revealed reality, the blue pill left you in the illusion. I'm not sure how that gets classed as misogynist in a conversation about a factory.
The Guardian is not the referee of language use.
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Re: I don't think that's what that means (Score:4, Funny)
I Googled 'some things' and got a Youtube video of a song from Frozen 2.
Re: I don't think that's what that means (Score:2, Insightful)
Or you could just stop saying things that are racist and misogynist. Seems simpler than making up a conspiracy where they are all organising against you...
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Have you never been called something nasty for taking unpopular side of an argument on facebook or twitter? I have, since I hate dogpiles and usually go against the group that's saying how bad someone is. It doesn't mean I like the person I'm defending. It means I hold my friends to some standard of evidence when they want to slam someone. Unfortunately in the digital realm, some people take that to mean they should slam me. I stopped participating in that type of discussion on Facebook.
So I think it is dep
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It's been adopted by the far right and by various Mens Rights groups, alluding to people "waking up" to their ideology which they obviously regard as the truth.
They often frame their ideas as being secret truths you are not allowed to know or which are suppressed for some reason, e.g. "race realists".
Yeah, I get that. But that doesn't magically transmit that adoption to everyone who's not in those groups. Far more people know the phrase from the movie and are completely unaware and uninterested in what some bunch of red-neck retards are using the phrase for.
Just assuming that the worst possible interpretation is put on a phrase grants the power to decide what words mean to tiny minorities and thereby gives them a power far greater than they should have.
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I agree, not everyone who uses the red pill meme is a men's rights activist or on the far right, of course. But Musk has previously tweeted stuff that would make you think, absent any other explanation, that he is using it in that context.
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Just assuming that the worst possible interpretation is put on a phrase grants the power to decide what words mean to tiny minorities and thereby gives them a power far greater than they should have.
It's about context. To pick an extreme example, if you see an Indian using a swastika versus if you see a white guy with a shaved head, angry tattoos and a baseball bat using a swastika you may draw different conclusions about their intended meaning. I mean sure that skinhead might be waving about an ancient sym
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Equating men's rights groups with ideology very cleary puts you in a certain corner from whence every REEEE automatically gets ignored by anyone who has two braincells to rub together.
Seriously? (Score:5, Interesting)
My military-grade bullshit meter just exploded.
"... which subsequently gave rise to the phrase "redpilling" as an alt-right, misogynist meme... "
Whoa, whoa. Easy there. Someone is swallowing some 'gender-studies" coolaid by the bucketload.
You got it wrong and I strongly suggest you educate yourself about the MRAs or the MGTOW movement (yes I know it's a silly name, but they've got a point or two to make) or something like that.
A feminist documentary called "The Red Pill" is actually a good place to start. Curiously enough.
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A little bit of history for you. When it became unacceptable to be openly racist the racists started using dog whistles. "States' rights" is a classic one. They don't seem racist on the surface and if anyone calls them out they can have a long argument about what idiots they are for thinking that "states' rights" is somehow racist and imagining that racists consider them synonymous with Jim Crow laws, while the racists nod along and understand them to be synonymous with Jim Crow laws.
Using memes is just a m
'Dog whistling' = I can read minds and accuse! (Score:4, Insightful)
'Dog whistling' is the new version of 'THAT'S RACIST'; it's the argument of last resort when the lefty has no real arguments for their position.
Since there's no basis for the charge of 'dog whistling' besides the sentiment of the accuser, it can only be an attempt to shut down all conversation through shaming.
For everyone else reading, if someone accuses you of being racist or engaging in 'racist dog-whistling', thank them for their surrender in the current debate. It's just another ad-homonym attack when they've run out of intelligently founded arguments.
I swear some of these people have been pathologically conditioned to fall back on 'RACIST' whenever their destructive ideas are effectively challenged.
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Idiom and Meme Shifting Happen (Score:3)
Meme Shifting Happens :)
It doesn't usually happen this fast with the outer fringe, but I guess the writers at the guardian must be bored this week, trying to create a tempest in a teapot.
Elon Musk is an African American? (Score:2)
Who'd have thought...
Why? (Score:3, Informative)
Why is this an article? Belongs right next to "My neighbors had a twitter discussion about the M&M color preference of squirrels."
Thanks for the worthless flamebait Beau. (Score:5, Informative)
Once Released... (Score:2)
How is this news? (Score:5, Insightful)
How is this news for nerds or even stuff that matters exactly? This isn't even news for anyone and completely pointless. Is there a story here that I'm missing?
Kindergarten (Score:2)
So, after reading through that slap-fight of a summary, the big takeaway is that this is just kindergarten celebrity trash talk. I don't usually level this kind of complaint here, but this "news for nerds" really feels more like something that belongs on tabloid TV.
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It's funny, you rail on the Wachowskis for extremist branding and then you start lobbing the exact same type of claims at a massively mainstream newspaper.
You probably have a super good reason for why that isn't massive hypocrisy though.
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Misgendering? (Score:5, Insightful)
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How would you feel if you saw someone walk down the street naked except for an adult diaper and you had to speak to them in baby talk or else you could be fired from your job? Yeah, that's how a most people see "misgendering". Is it a fair comparison? I don't know, but a lot of people see it that way and having it in the span of a couple years be something that went from being reserved for niche porn to something that you're just supposed to accept is... well, it's not going to go over very well for a lot o