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The Stunning Second Life of 'Avatar: The Last Airbender' (newyorker.com) 80

A fifteen-year-old cartoon is an unlikely contender for most-watched show in America. And yet when "Avatar: The Last Airbender" arrived on Netflix, in May, it rose through the ranks to become the platform's No. 1 offering, and even now it remains a fixture in the Top Ten for the U.S. From a report: The series first ran from 2005 to 2008 on Nickelodeon, and swiftly made a name for itself as a politically resonant, emotionally sophisticated work -- one with a sprawling but meticulously plotted mythos that destined the show for cult-classic status. Last summer, after "Game of Thrones" flubbed its finale, fans and critics held up "Avatar" as a counterexample: a fantasy series that knew what it wanted to be from the beginning. Like all such stories, "Avatar" (created by Bryan Konietzko and Michael Dante DiMartino, and no relation to the James Cameron blockbuster) demands some exposition. In a world where nations are defined by their connection to one of the four elements -- water, earth, fire, and air -- maintaining the peace falls to the Avatar, the only person who can achieve mastery of them all. Just as the Fire Nation launches an attack, he vanishes.

The series begins a century later, when a twelve-year-old boy named Aang is discovered and revived by a pair of Water Tribe teen-agers -- and the Fire Nation is well on its way to global conquest. The first two episodes are largely what you'd expect: world-building punctuated by moments of whimsy. In the third, Aang returns to the temple where he was born to find the aftermath of a genocide. He is, he discovers, both the Avatar and the last of the Air Nomads. Where earlier shows might have hinted at such an atrocity for adult viewers' benefit, "Avatar" is overt, taking seriously its young audience's capacity to confront the consequences of endless war. Moral ambiguity abounds, and people from all nations see the conflict as, variously, an opportunity or a tragedy; there are Earth Kingdom citizens who have become cynical or apathetic after generations of fighting, and those from the Fire Nation who are fully capable of doing good. Aang, like the monks who raised him, is a pacifist at heart, but the series makes it clear that his is not the only way of bringing balance to the world. On the eve of his confrontation with the Fire Lord, one of his past lives -- a warrior named Kyoshi, who has killed would-be conquerors before -- counsels that "only justice will bring peace."

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  • Watch it! (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kokuyo ( 549451 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @11:33AM (#60267650) Journal

    Anyone who is surprised hasn't seen it. There's a level of storytelling in that 'kids' show you don't find every year in Hollywood.

    • It doesn't have as much fan service as I would prefer.

      But still high up on my watch list.

    • Re:Watch it! (Score:5, Informative)

      by turp182 ( 1020263 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @12:31PM (#60267948) Journal

      I would also recommend Gravity Falls, it's on Disney+. (they also have Hamilton which was amazing)

      It's a kids show but has interesting plot and tons of things I laugh out loud at that the kid's don't get (couple of X-File references, well placed).

      The $-17.00 bill was awesome.

      It's a clever show.

      • I saw some Gravity Falls back when I had satellite, and it was interesting. I never got hooked on it though as it was about the time I cut the cord.

    • Just finished it and it was awesome. Some very well written characters with awesome dialogue. Several episodes left me and my kids with huge grins on our faces...swordmaster, sun warriors, amongst many. And the ending was awesome!

    • Anyone who is surprised hasn't seen it. There's a level of storytelling in that 'kids' show you don't find every year in Hollywood.

      This is true for a lot of Anime, especially that based on a manga. There's a story. It goes through a complete arc in a season. Often that's it. Compare that to the vast majority of write it as we go western TV which seemingly exists only to setup a sequel for itself and you end up by comparison with a far more compelling story.

    • Absolutely - I always watched with my kids. I enjoyed it even more than they did, as I could see more of what they were doing with source material references, etc.

      Maybe they will do a live action version some day (no there is no live action version - it does not exist, it could only exist if it was done with an all Asian cast as all of the characters are clearly Asian).

    • its not really disney but i think they can find lots in asian-born anime that will 'surprise' - i think the movie never did it right either, ... should have been four movies at least
  • Am I the only one that's not surprised that a once-popular show gets a second life on a new medium?

    Sometimes cult followings are just cult followings (not to knock 'Twin Peaks' but I could't get into it when I tried a few years back); well written, with good ideas and well made ages better (I'm surprised how the X-Files are still somewhat current).

    This is completely NOT NEWS starting with Nick-At-Night years ago.
  • by eepok ( 545733 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @11:41AM (#60267690) Homepage

    My wife and I are part of the Netflix crowd watching the show. We just finished the 1st season last night and I have to say that it approaches almost everything thus far with a fairly light touch.

    The writers seem to (properly) assume that people (even children) are capable of filling in certain types of "blanks" and thus don't focus too heavily on any major issue for an extended period of time. The summary mentions an "atrocity", but the show doesn't throw down such words. There is no 5 minute monologue that sounds like it was written like a press release from a human rights organization. None of the child characters are irrationally experienced in the ways of global politics and equity. That keeps it light and ensures that important lessons are actually accepted.

    Even when there are questions of gender equity, they keep it a light touch and allow the characters' experiences to teach them-- not a lecture. (And important lesson for those of us on the left who can get VERY preachy. We often need to focus on "being the good experience" instead of trying to convince our philosophical opponents that they are simply wrong.)

    Lastly, the summary mentions "moral ambiguity", but I disagree. To say that there is moral ambiguity suggests that there is an over-arching right and wrong and that the characters find themselves somewhere in the middle. That's not 100% correct. Instead, the characters find moral relativity in their travels around the world. Everyone lives very different lives and for very different reasons. The characters aren't moral imperialists correcting the backwards people of the world, but they're taking a bit of every culture they meet and leave a little of themselves with each community.

    • There will be some some greater shades of grey in the later books.

      What was most impressive is it felt like it improved in the mater seasons.

      No surprise itâ(TM)s doing well in the desert known as Netflix.

      • I'm actually re-watching A:TLA with my daughter.
        This is because because she was raving about a Netflix show called "The Dragon Prince", that i realized was created by the A:TLA headwriter .
    • Whatever you do do not watch the M Night movie afterwards. It’s like Dead Like Me with Mandy, and Dead Like Me the followup movie without him. OTOH, Dragon Price has many shared Writers/etc. and is also excellent.
    • the summary mentions "moral ambiguity", but I disagree. To say that there is moral ambiguity suggests that there is an over-arching right and wrong and that the characters find themselves somewhere in the middle.

      How do you figure? While absolutists and relativists will disagree about how you determine right from wrong, they both agree that right and wrong exist, and all you need for moral ambiguity is a lack of clarity about which is which in a particular situation.

      Speaking broadly so as to avoid spoiling anything specific, one of the biggest sources of ambiguity is the question of what's acceptable in war. Is war a valid means by which to pursue peace? Is it right to respond to violence with violence? Is it right

  • I'll open by saying I have never watched the cartoon series, only due to having never had the spare time to do so. I saw the movie in the theatre (in 3D, if I recall correctly) and thought it was entertaining. It wasn't a cinematic masterpiece but I thought it was pretty good. Yet people who are fans consider it total garbage and some nearly want to murder me for suggesting otherwise.

    Was the movie just not close enough to the source material? Or was there something else that people hated about it? I can't find a consistent answer on the matter.
    • by flink ( 18449 )

      I'll open by saying I have never watched the cartoon series, only due to having never had the spare time to do so. I saw the movie in the theatre (in 3D, if I recall correctly) and thought it was entertaining. It wasn't a cinematic masterpiece but I thought it was pretty good. Yet people who are fans consider it total garbage and some nearly want to murder me for suggesting otherwise.

      Was the movie just not close enough to the source material? Or was there something else that people hated about it? I can't find a consistent answer on the matter.

      I think because while the movie might be entertaining schlock, the series is both a critical and fan darling that many people have a deep emotional attachment to, especially if they watched the series as kids. I came to it as an adult and while I don't have any of the nostalgia for it, I do think it is fantastic. Hands down it is near the top of any list I would make of my favorite serial television.

      So I think it comes down to people just thinking the move did the series dirty I guess. It probably caused

    • by psergiu ( 67614 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @12:03PM (#60267814)

      You have seen the equivalent of "The Star Wars Holiday Special" and are asking how close is that one to the Star Wars trilogy source material.
      Or trying to judge the entire Batman franchise by seeing one single movie starring Jared Leto as the Joker.

    • Quote: " I can't find a consistent answer on the matter."

      You haven't search then, 'cause there are thousands of them.

      Anyway, this the "I-don't-read-too-much"-version of them:

      1) Characters. In the original animation, all are CHILDREN. They laugh, make mistakes, are serious, etc. In the movie, they are STIFF.

      2) Fights. In the original animation, they have a purpose: learning, proving who's evil, etc. with collateral damage. In the movie, they're scarce and.. let say superfluous.

      3) Story. In the original anima

    • by Jhon ( 241832 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @12:12PM (#60267860) Homepage Journal

      Why was the movie so hated? Because it was mostly seen by people who saw the original TV show.

      You lucked out. You've nothing to compare it to.

      • I have not seen the TV series yet but the movie on it's own was terrible. Dialog, acting, editing, plot, action, etc: these were all failures.
    • The Avatar movie was actually a cut down, speed up, shortened version of the first and second season and well that was the least of it's problems, because they mostly left out the good parts.

      Hint:
      Just watch the cartoon series and you will realize the difference, mostly that the cartoon series takes a slower pace but deeper story telling.

      • by Comrade Ogilvy ( 1719488 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @12:28PM (#60267922)

        Just watch the cartoon series and you will realize the difference, mostly that the cartoon series takes a slower pace but deeper story telling.

        Yup.

        The basic premise is pretty cheesy, in my mind, but perfectly serviceable as children's fare.

        What the series offered was surprisingly good storytelling, where we learn about the characters, new characters, how the characters learn and grow, the world, and its people, in a very incremental and organic way.

        Strip away the well-developed storytelling, and it devolves to cheesy children's fare.

        • What is most adult fair strip away the sex, violence, and drug use what do you get?

          Action: Good guy hurt by bad guy, Good guy recovers and kill bad guy, ooh gripping. Sorry missed the modern part in series about the good guy pouting how they are guilty of hurting the people around them even though the bad guy is killing everyone.
          Romance: people meet don't like each other, grow to like each other, something happens so they break up, then they realize they like each other.
          Dystopian: Humans are bad, look at th

      • Translating The Last Airbender TV series into a live action movie was always going to be a challenge as it was a lengthy series and it was animated. The first goes to problems with plots and run time. The second causes problems with cost and style. I've never seen the TV show but from the few clips I've seen is that there are a lot of different locations. In the animated world that's not as costly to use (there is a cost with more locations) but that's nothing like in live action where the film crew has to
    • Why was the movie so hated?

      Was the movie just not close enough to the source material? Or was there something else that people hated about it?

      As the summary stated, the James Cameron movie is totally unrelated to the cartoon. The movie was named after the technology used to drive its plot.

      As for why it's hated, it's a blatant and ham-fisted anti-colonization screed that's a note for note rehashing of Disney's Pocahontas. As long as you're looking at the pretty pictures, it's fine, but if you make the mistake of watching it a second time, you realize you're being clubbed over the head by a preachy asshole, and people are getting more than a litt

      • We’re talking about the bad M Night live action AtlA, not the unrelated Cameron Dances With Blue People movie.
        • We’re talking about the bad M Night live action AtlA, not the unrelated Cameron Dances With Blue People movie.

          It's a shame no one ever created a live action version of the Avatar series, especially not M. Night Shyamalan.

    • Yet people who are fans consider it total garbage and some nearly want to murder me for suggesting otherwise.

      Not just fans. Many movie critics who had never seen the TV show consider it garbage. I have never seen the TV show, and I consider it garbage. As for people wanting to murder you, that's unfortunately the nature of the world today where you having a different opinion is not acceptable to some people.

      Was the movie just not close enough to the source material?

      Nowhere close. Time-wise the movie tried to cram in an entire 20 episode season with an average episode run time of 23 mins into a single 103 minute movie. This is the first problem with many movie adaptations

    • by PhrostyMcByte ( 589271 ) <phrosty@gmail.com> on Monday July 06, 2020 @01:14PM (#60268114) Homepage

      As a fan of film, the movie had terrible writing, terrible directing, and terrible acting. The plot was hard to follow to the point of needing heavy exposition. The only redeemable thing about the movie is that some of the CGI was pretty cool.

      As a fan of the cartoon, they took this amazing, deep, earned plot and character development, and devolved it into basically a CGI spectacle with barely recognizable caricatures. They sped through every important moment, and removed some big ones.

      One thing to consider is that the cartoon was damn near perfect. Every aspect that the movie failed in, the cartoon nailed. Every aspect that the movie was okay in, the cartoon nailed. Really the only way it had to go was downhill, so they were doomed to fail from the start, but man they botched it way more than they should have.

    • https://youtu.be/2r71I8lvTIA [youtu.be] https://youtu.be/6jvpOpDraZU [youtu.be] Bad casting, bad acting, bad dialog, tons of explaining rather than showing, bad cgi, bad fight choreography, basically muddling everything cool with the show. They made bending look lame.
    • I agree. I liked the movie. I was hoping for a sequel, but it appears that it will not happen. Too bad.
    • by jonwil ( 467024 )

      The biggest mistake (IMO) was the boneheaded decision by the studio (as happens all too often in Hollywood these days) to use white actors in roles that are clearly of other races in the original source material.

      That and generally just not understanding the source material at all.

      • Hardly. Back then the topic of whitewashing wasn't even a thing and no one cared. Also you're begging the question. It would have been better if the studio decided to use actual actors. Hell for the main character it was his first movie. The supporting character it was her 2nd.... 3rd? Can't remember. Point is the acting was woeful.

        Everyone needs to start somewhere, but that somewhere is not normally a $150m blockbuster.

    • I've never seen the film, but my wife saw it in theaters before seeing the series and was not a fan. She found the acting poor, the characters flat, the plot full of holes, the CGI lacking, and the pacing uneven. Which, given her tastes in movies, doesn't actually say much about the merit of the film, though it does line up with most of the complaints I've heard from others.

      It took me a couple of years to convince her to give the series a shot since a cartoon "for kids" was not at all something she was inte

  • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @11:48AM (#60267732)

    2008 is 12 years ago.

    Kids who watched it were 8-15 on average. Making them 20-27 years old now.

    Getting jobs, forming complex relationships. They would like to watch stuff during their normally most optimistic part of their life.
    Old enough to do stuff. Young enough for Major responsibility.

    For me watching shows from the mid 1980s - early 1990's is my nostalgia spot for me. It isn't that the shows were better than, but it is like going back to old friends, who hadn't changed.

    Now I have heard that Avatar the last air-bender was a good story. So for people at that age, probably was their first experience to such a story arch.

    Ages
    0-4 Moving pictures that keep you attention.
    5-9 Connection with the characters
    9-15 Connection with the story
    16-21 Connection with the Style and types

    When you get past your 20's you are seeing new shows, and they just seem like rehash of older stuff. Because you have now experienced older stuff.
    When you were younger it was often the first time you have experienced it, so it was new to you.

    • by burni2 ( 1643061 )

      Actually I watched that show in my middish to late 20s stumbled upon it and I really liked it, because it was no run-of-the-mill cartoon but had really good story scripting and "acting", also the visual quality of the animations and the mix with the music and sound was great.

      So I say don't just think you can find a liking in cartoons just because you came of age.

      • I saw it in my 40s and liked it for its story and characters.

        They managed to write a proper heel-face turn, which is no mean feat, because a heel-face/face-heel turn is Serious Business. It has to be built up and justified, not just "I'm pissed off/bored, so I'm joining the other team".

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      • I'll second that. Castlevania was really, really well done. They didn't pull any punches on hard moral questions, and it was still thoroughly enjoyable to watch. I was recommended it because of the beautiful artwork (hand painted backgrounds, which seem to be going away in a lot of newer shows).

    • I was in my 40s when I watched it for the first time. I found it completely refreshing -- a kids' show that was actually willing to teach kids about hard problems of social dynamics without making the kids feel like they were either doomed or powerless. Sokka, the first member of the hero's party without any bending abilities, becomes a focal point in many episodes to highlight just how critical supporting roles can be, and how you don't have to be The Best across the board (Ang) but can be just as impactfu
    • That is generally true, but I didn't watch this series until I was in my 40s and it still blew me away!

  • It's well made, it's good TV. A good story, spans all ages, holds up well. Some intense parts, some funny parts.

  • That's because nobody had bothered to put all of "Avatar: The Last Airbender", on a streaming platform before. Hell when it was still airing, the local cable VOD systems would only pick random episodes to even watch. The only way to watch the entire thing in order was to pirate it. The only thing that was on Netflix was the awful, horribly mis-cast live action film.

  • by Ihlosi ( 895663 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @12:15PM (#60267880)
    However, it is surprising that its excellence is actually appreciated.
  • I am an avid watcher of animation of all sorts and Last Airbender is definitely on my best of all time list (along with its sequel series Korra).

    Like much of the best animation, they both have that quality of being appealing to both kids and adults.

  • Daughter watched Avatar and Cowboy Bebop in grade school. I was at first astonished at the level of violence in both shows, but then got hooked and watched each to completion with her.

    They're right, Avatar works up to a very satisfying finale, and each part of the story is a piece of the puzzle. We both liked it very much. And they're right, it was the exact opposite of GoT, which has nearly a Lost level of ineptitude at the finale.

    The live action film, in contrast, was beautifully photographed but the s

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @01:07PM (#60268082) Journal
    Watched it with my daughter in elementary school. Very well done. Light enough for children. Prince Zuko, on the bad guys, fights with Aang, but all he wants really was to redeem his honor in the eyes of his father, Fire Chief. Zuko was proud, capable, competent, admirable even but on the bad guys side. Cant hate him, but feel sad he has to fight Aang. Bringing that conflict to children.. very well done. .

    I was narrating her Mahabharata too, honorable people on the wrong side, Grandpa Bheeshma, Prince Karna. The earth bender King Bhumi, means Earth in Indic languages. Was an instant hit in our family. We still discuss some of the episodes and use events in the serial in conversations, inside jokes etc.

    The movie was a disaster. Dont want to give away the ending, but it was very nice too.

    Thematically, the Fire Nation seems to be Japan, The Earth nation seems to be China, The Air nation seems to be Tibet and the water tribes seem to be inuit.

  • I enjoyed "Legend of Korra" overall... although the writing was somewhat uneven, and it did tend to get preachy in places ("Last Airbender" did a much better job at that).

    Some of the villains were rather well written. I tended to find their characters more interesting than Ms. Avatar's.

    I haven't watched "Last Airbender" on Netflix though... we bought the series as soon as it was available, so I've ripped it to my streaming box.

  • by unfortunateson ( 527551 ) on Monday July 06, 2020 @01:37PM (#60268234) Journal

    Not only did they build a rich, complex world with multiple cultures, but they never dropped a thread. If something happened early, you'd likely see the consequences later.

    And the Korra sequel (which I never did finish watching because Nick messed with scheduling, yes I know I can get it any time now, but I'd probably have to start over), took that world building and turned it on its head: What happens if civilization advances from just-barely-industrial into, say the Jazz Age: there's suddenly organized sports, factories, cars, etc. in 40 years, and it makes sense. Gorgeous design overall.

  • Sounds like its the perfect time for them to get the crew back togeather and animate Avatar: The Last Airbender - Imbalance!

  • Wired even wrote an article [wired.com] about it.

    Sometimes the long tail even see a resurgence of popularity.

    This isn't anything new.

  • While I concede that the show is, predictably, about solving problems with talking, etc... ...let's not forget that ultimately a NUMBER of the problems are solved with straight-up violence.

    Certainly, if you're just looking for validations, the show pushes your buttons. But I think it's fairly objective. including a number of points about things like the importance and value of tradition and faith.

  • I watched it with my 2 young kids, one episode a night right before bed. We literally finished 2 nights ago. Hands down best animated series I've ever seen, and the kiddos loved it too. My favorite character was Katara, both my kids' were Saka (go figure, they're both goofballs). Apparently there's a lot more to the series too. Comic books, a live action movie, a second animated series by the original creators.. I can't wait to dig into them. Avatar state, yip-yip!

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