Not Just OLED: LG is About To Release Its First Mini LED TVs (arstechnica.com) 48
LG plans to introduce its first consumer Mini LED TVs sometime next month, according to a press release from the South Korean company. Mini LED is a new variant of LCD TV tech that offers better contrast ratios, among other improvements. From a report: The new lineup in the US includes one 4K TV (dubbed the QNED90) and one 8K variant (called the QNED99). Both are available in three sizes: 65 inches, 75 inches, and 86 inches.
Much of the recent advertising and marketing muscle behind Mini LED TVs has come from Samsung, but that's not the only company making them. TCL, Hisense, and others have introduced Mini LED sets as well. LG calls its Mini LED technology "QNED," which is just a marketing term that stands for "Quantum Nanocell Mini LED." As far as we can tell, there's nothing fundamentally different about these TVs that actually calls for a different acronym compared to Mini LEDs from other companies.
Much of the recent advertising and marketing muscle behind Mini LED TVs has come from Samsung, but that's not the only company making them. TCL, Hisense, and others have introduced Mini LED sets as well. LG calls its Mini LED technology "QNED," which is just a marketing term that stands for "Quantum Nanocell Mini LED." As far as we can tell, there's nothing fundamentally different about these TVs that actually calls for a different acronym compared to Mini LEDs from other companies.
Actively misleading naming (Score:3)
It's still not actually LED, its LCD. They're obviously trying to mislead people into thinking its some kind of OLED.
Re: Actively misleading naming (Score:3)
From what I can figure, it is LED, individually addressable LED back lighting I think.
Dolby has been developing and pushing this tech for a decade.
https://www.cnet.com/news/behi... [cnet.com]
Re: Actively misleading naming (Score:5, Informative)
Mini LED displays work the same as the LED backlit ones we’ve had for years now except that there are many more LEDs allowing smaller parts of the screen to be lit up or not. They just provide the light behind the LCD screen.
Micro LED are individually addressable and work more like OLED but brighter and without burn-in. This is probably the next premium technology and will combine the best aspects of today’s OLED and LED/LCD displays.
https://www.tomsguide.com/news... [tomsguide.com]
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Yeah, mini-LED is neat but I don't get why people are getting so excited about this.
If you can, wait for micro-LED before buying a new TV.
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Not good enough, I'm waiting for nano-LED.
To be truthful a 4K resolution already provides more detail than I need, I don't get the point of 8k.
Re: Actively misleading naming (Score:1)
8k provides a benefit for really large displays, or ones that you sit really close to like a computer monitor, but it's pretty much the point where the madness stops, unless you get into VR, where you stop at 16k
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Both are available in three sizes: 65 inches, 75 inches, and 86 inches.
Or to use their internal names, "I have a small penis", "I have a very small penis", and "I need tweezers and a magnifying glass".
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"You wouldn't wanna be with a girl with an oversized clit?" - Dante Hicks
"No, 'cause the next step is a guy with an undersized dick" - Randal Graves
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I have a big wall with a 65" on it. A TV any smaller than that would look stupid and be pointlessly limiting. Look at the available sizes of OLEDs. basically 65" is the new midsize.
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The point my dear friend is, the bigger the screen and the closer you are to it, the higher the resolution is required. You at the wall opposite you, think of it as an entire view screen, that entire wall, how high would the screen resolution need to be. Rather than the resolution per say square mm.
We tend to talk in resolution as output of the CPU rather than the old fashion DPI but we kind of have to get back to dots per inch or in the modern age dots per mm. The size of screen together with its DPI reso
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I'm hoping colour e-ink wallpaper will be available for much cheaper. No for video, but for dynamic wallpapers.
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I'm just happy for anything that will ditch with OLED. I hate OLED screens on phones. They look great when you first get them, but a year or two later they look terrible. There's some great comparisons out there where people compare heavily used phones with ones new from the box.
LCD's less-black-blacks never bothered me in exchange for its crisp, bright picture whose colour balance and general quality doesn't skew with time. And with mini-LED being a tech to help you get blacker blacks out of LCD? Great
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I have a Samsung A5-2017. Over 4 years old, OLED and still looks and runs like the day I bought it.
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Put it side by side with a new one straight out of the box.
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I don't see what difference the black level, contrast, colour accuracy, or resolution makes when the video is CATRS (Compressed All To Rat Shit) anyway. Digital processed video is inherently garbage, and most of it is re-compressed all to RatShit anyway -- there is nothing that can be done to improve it once it has been destroyed.
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It's just the same old LCD tech we have already but with more backlight zones. Maybe a few thousand instead of a few hundred.
The only really new and impressive LCD tech is from Sony and costs a fortune. Their Pro monitors have it. Basically the backlight is incredibly bright, and they have two LCD panels in front of it. The first is monochrome, it simply adjusts the brightness of the backlight on a per pixel basis. Then they have the normal colour LCD panel in front of that.
It won't make it to TVs because i
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It's still not actually LED
So the "LED" in "Mini LED" refers to the backlight LEDs which are indeed LED. Yes the image is formed by LCD, but that's lit by an array of small (thus "mini") LEDs. The benefit is that it actually solves the bleed-through problem and is thus a genuine innovation. So you can suspend your instinctual malcontentory; the marketing is, in this case, legitimate.
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sorry but led backlighting is schmeh compared to what they are trying to market it as.
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What they're trying to market it as is a technology that retains the brighter whites and low degradation of LCD with the deep blacks and no halo effect of OLED. Why do you find that "schmeh"?
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because they aren't clearly stating this is a backlight technology, meaning they are hoping people will be confused into thinking this is an emissive technology such as OLED rather than still bein a transflective technogy (i.e. still being LCD at all). They are misleading people that the image quality is significantly superior to what it actually is. This isn't the first time the TV industry have done this, (remember when they misrepresented TVs as "HD" just because it could display an HD picture at all, bu
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Re:Actively misleading naming (Score:4, Insightful)
No, that's exactly what happened. OLED has been around for a while. In the early 2000's, it started to become possible to build an OLED TV, leading to a few prototypes that got shown off, and some press about how OLED was the future for televisions. The marketing types latched onto this, calling their LED backlit LCDs "LED TVs" in attempt to confuse people into thinking that their LCD's were those high tech futuristic OLED TVs they heard about.
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Hardly. I don't ever recall an LED backlit TV not being called an LED TV. It was actively trying to differentiate itself from the the CCFL backlit ones. You may think this was some nefarious evil scheme because it happened in the same 5 or so years, but really it's nothing of the sort, especially considering when OLED first hit the market at this time there were very VERY serious unaddressed problems with the technology which consumers refused to touch with a 10 foot pole.
It's like me changing my name to Ka
Who Would Want an OLED TV That Image Burns? (Score:1)
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Weird, I have had a plasma 1080p TV that is also allegedly plagued by this vicious "burn in" people always talk about. Damnedest thing, I've had it for like 8 years and not a hint of burn in.
You talked your friend out of buying the best TV you can get right now based on a mostly sensationalized fear. Unless _micro_ LEDs are out in the next year or so I'll probably be getting an OLED TV in the nearish future.
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It's not just about burning in images, it's also about colour balance drift over time (alongside overall loss of peak brightness). Compare your TV side by side with a new one out of the box.
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The colour balance won't drift, that is corrected for in software over time. The TV will get dimmer, but won't go orange.
But the reality is modern OLED TVs don't really have an issue in any case. You may start noticing a problem around about the same time as your electronics start to fail. Ultimately it's a TV not a family heirloom.
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They attempt to compensate for it over time, but there's a fundamental unpredictability to the degradation process which makes any compensation imperfect.
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The compensation is not guessed or calculated, it's calibrated. LG has a separate module that drives a bunch of OLEDs not visible to the user with a somewhat representative signal of what is being shown on the screen and then measures how these OLEDs drift over time and applies that compensation to the entire screen.
Sure if you spend all year looking at black and white stripes on the screen it's going to seriously mess up this compensation, but for normal content the compensation works really really well.
I'
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Same. Plasma tv (panasonic vt60). Many years old, no burn in.
Cell phone is Samsung OLED. No burn in.
I'm sure it's a thing folks have experienced with their plasmas and OLED, but I haven't made any effort to reduce persistent logos or images, and with just regular usage haven't had a problem.
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And my 4-year old LG OLED TV has no visible burn in. You really need to update your tech support advice.
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I talked my friend out of wasting his money on an OLED television. For things that aren't on that much and get replaced every 3 years OLED's make sense, but monitors and televisions can last 10 years of useful life--but likely not OLEDs. My current laptop is soon to be replaced, but it's 6 years old.
Image burning on OLED TVs is controlled these days to the point where unless you're a professional gamer or watch only CSPAN there is effectively no burn-in. At the worst sometime closer to 5-10 years the image may not be as bright as it once was.
Please stop applying 15 year old thinking, or whatever your experience is with those $1.50 OLED displays from Aliexpress to the TV industry.
Don't fall for this. (Score:2)
It's still fundamentally an LCD panel.
The tech you want to look out for is micro led, it may be superior to OLED, plasma, crt, LCD and sed.
That's the hype and hope anyhow, however they're having issues shrinking it to be viable for normal panels.
I'd wait for microLED. (Score:2)
Mini LED is just an LCD screen with a bunch of small LED backlights. microLED is actually a full panel of tiny LEDs.
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That said, miniLED solves many problems with existing TVs. Having smaller and more LEDs for the backlight allows for more fine tuned control of lumen levels of the pixels. Obviously the controller needs to be able to support it, but minLEDs can allow for 30,000 or more dimable zones (again, not many controllers have implemented this level, and are still grouping tens or even hundreds of miniLEDs into a dimable zone). This resolves one of the biggest problems of a hallow effect from older generation
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You can buy it now if you don't mind dropping $150k for a 75" TV...
What's weird is there are people who wouldn't even flinch at that number.
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Well, you know, not everyone is going to be happy with a small 60" display.
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It's funny because some people are fine with watching movies on their damn phone.
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Yeah, but you know we're not supposed to talk about those weirdos.
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Which 75" microled TV is available? Last I heard Samsung announced one, but there is no release date.
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What they can do now and not that expensively, is nine displays in a frame. Really not that expensive if you talk nine 65inch screens for a 195inch display with nine different pictures or one stretched out across a framed window with unfortunately bars between, the smaller the better. You could do that much cheaper than ever a 125" display and get much more out of it. Think of those screens more as a 16 FOOT display.
Marketing (Score:2)
Great, more misleading marketing drivel.
LED TV = LCD
Mini LED TV = LCD
Micro LED TV = LCD
QLED = LCD
QNED = LCD
OLED TV = actually is LED
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Correction: microLED is actually LED.
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>"Correction: microLED is actually LED."
You are right, I had to search it out again. Just goes to prove how ridiculous the marketing drivel is. MiniLED is LCD, but MicroLED is LED! I wonder if, when "NanoLED" comes out, it will be LCD or LED.
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I think the problem would be the time required to precisely place all those 8.3 million microscopic LEDs, even if done by a machine.