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TV Networks Want To Yank Nielsen Accreditation (variety.com) 43

The nation's big TV companies are calling for a new yardstick. From a report: A trade organization representing Disney, ViacomCBS, NBCUniversal, Fox Corp. and other media giants is calling for the organization that signs off on Nielsen's methodology for measuring TV viewership to yank accreditation, an aggressive maneuver in an era when media outlets and the advertisers who support them are scrambling to figure out how to count viewer eyeballs across an increasingly unwieldy array of new entertainment venues, digital behaviors and screens. The trade group, the VAB, on Wednesday sent a ten-page letter to the Media Rating Council urging the group to pull its backing of Nielsen's ratings, citing Nielsen's diminished ability to count viewership during the coronavirus pandemic. "Nielsen's COVID-period conduct as a ratings service violated at least five minimum standards," the VAB said in its letter, "with the damage done to their largest subscriber clients still creating material negative impact into July 2021."
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TV Networks Want To Yank Nielsen Accreditation

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  • Too much stuff (Score:5, Interesting)

    by methano ( 519830 ) on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:40PM (#61608611)
    We were a Nielsen home back in the aughts when we had Time-Warner and Roadrunner. They came in and dropped 50 pounds of equipment and a million feet of wire under the TV to track everything we did. They managed to break one of the TV's by going into it to install stuff. It was a technological Rube Goldberg nightmare and constantly broke. When AT&T showed up with Uverse, we called Nielsen up and told them to come take it all away. Never again. We've had AT&T for about a decade and they eventually morphed into something as evil as Time-Warner used to be. Currently moving to Google Fiber six years after they sent me the T-shirt.
    • Re:Too much stuff (Score:4, Insightful)

      by saloomy ( 2817221 ) on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:44PM (#61608629)
      This is likely in response to falling ratings. They want a better yardstick to keep their advertising dollars. Maybe they should just focus on quality television. Or, maybe it is just time to retire the video-only networks and just put everything online where you know how many people are streaming your content.
      • Re:Too much stuff (Score:4, Interesting)

        by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Thursday July 22, 2021 @02:07PM (#61608701) Journal

        This my guess. OTA is probably the most expensive delivery format the networks have but it also is critical to them being able to differentiate themselves with advertisers vs other media - they get claim the really can reach every last eyeball.

        However as the ratings drops, what they can justify charging for that also goes down and gradually the return on the enterprise gets worse and worse. Don't like the data - obvious answer stop counting.

      • This is likely in response to falling ratings.

        Just look at the latest round of Emmy nominations. How many are OTA and cable shows, and how many are streaming-first shows?

        Hint: streaming is where it's at if you want to watch the stuff that's worth watching.

    • by Bodie1 ( 1347679 )

      Be wary.
      We have fiber (not Google) and when I raised an issue related to the rules for cable television, the response was "we are IPTV and not subject to cable television rules." We're locked in because the HOA chose them for the building. We could get service from a cable company, but we'd still be paying for this and the internet is as fast as the servers on the other end.

  • They want to use spyware in smart tv's to try and track people's viewing habits instead, and isn't it interesting that the deletionists at Wikipedia are trying to delete the article about the original tracking TV, the telescreen [wikipedia.org].
    • by Guyle ( 79593 )
      And this is relevant how? It's a crappy article that reads like a middle schooler's book report. Can't really reference anything but 1984 since it's about a fictional device. IMO they're right to get rid of it and just have it be a part of the article on 1984.
  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:50PM (#61608649)
    Nielsen are lost in the wilderness looking for relevance.
  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:52PM (#61608655)

    TV is so ridden with adverts and so fucking hopeless that I'm pretty sure people's brain simply turn off when the ads run. Which, in the US is 15 minutes of ads for 3 minutes of "content" - and I use the word content in the most generous sense. I mean after decades of that stringent brainwashing regimen, surely people's brain have rewired themselves to survive the onslaught of stupidity.

    That's if the viewers simply leave the TV on and go do something else, like have a poo or cook dinner or something.

    Nielsen boxes have no way of knowing whether the target brains are staying put in front of the idiot box, and in a state suitable to receive more brainwashing content.

    • I have purposely removed advertising from my life for over 20 years now. I couldn't tell you a single product or associated ad that has aired in all that time. Ignorance in bliss! Imagine having children around Christmas time NOT begging for crap commercials pump at them 24/7. I still have those freakin' jingles from the 70's in my head and I hate those companies for it.
    • Nielsen does not use boxes anymore. They have smart microphones you wear which fingerprints everything it hears and sends the data back to them. The bandwidth usage is LOW so I couldn't tell if they were streaming bits of audio or sending lots of fingerprint data. I certainly felt like I was being recorded by an IoT smart microphone...

      TV would LOVE for you to turn off your conscious mind during their ads! Your subconscious mind is always paying attention unless you change the channel. If you are watching

      • Nielsen does not use boxes anymore. They have smart microphones you wear which fingerprints everything it hears and sends the data back to them.

        Really? Do people really volunteer to do this? Do they get paid? Because quite frankly that sounds more than a little creepy.

        • Yes they get paid. I don't remember, how much but they get a bit extra for not forgetting it or something. It is per-person and they told me it had a motion sensor so you can't just set it next to a TV or something.

          Since you know of the device... it's voluntary except for everybody you interact with. I don't think the device works on normal wifi because they had a base station. Yes, it seems odd to let them listen inside your house; however, your ISP sells your DNS data and any streaming is obviously known

    • We will have a pause from our Advertising for a brief Program
  • I'm thinking this has to do with ad pricing [centralcasting.com] since the tv networks use the Nielsen data for that.

    • Falling ratings mean falling ad prices.

      Falling ad prices mean panicking executives.

      Panicking executives order something to be done.

      Something being done is what you are observing.
    • by EvilSS ( 557649 )
      Basically this. Nielsen exists because the ad agencies wouldn't trust the networks numbers, so they manifested a third party they both agreed to use. TV nets would love to be rid of them and either find someone more friendly or convince ad agencies to "just trust us!" Although Nielsen isn't blameless in this either. They are struggling to adapt to the new realities of "TV". It was one thing to create models when there were 3 major networks that people sat down in the living room to watch every night. Today,
  • Spying (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Thursday July 22, 2021 @01:56PM (#61608667)

    The sad fact of the matter is that the smart TV, cable and streaming companies can do a much, much better job at tracking everything you do than anything Nielsen can Frankenstein together. Keep in mind that Roku based TV's track *absolutely* everything you watch and do. Not just what channels you watch, but what shows you watch, what movies you watch on streaming service, which Youtube videos you look at, *everything* Nielsen can't hope to compete with that.

    • Not just what channels you watch, but what shows you watch, what movies you watch on streaming service, which Youtube videos you look at, *everything*

      ... *quietly deletes porn folder from Roku's Plex app*

    • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

      The flip side to that is that, ultimately, whoever is consuming that data has to trust the party providing it. When the data determines how much I, the advertiser, need to pay you, the content provider, and you're the guy who's giving me the data to base my decision on, there's a huge conflict of interest. Having a third party in the middle that we both agree to trust ameliorates that.

    • About a third of what I watch is on the Roku. They can't track the other 5 sources of TV that I watch.
  • Just do what you've been doing the past decade or two, produce the cheapest crap possible, knowing that people can't really do anything but watch your crap...

    Oh wait, they can now, can't they?

  • You can't take the sky from me!

    Nielsen didn't win the war.

  • by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Thursday July 22, 2021 @02:51PM (#61608841) Homepage

    ...when my mother passed away. As the only child, I had to clean up her affairs. Because my kids wanted to come along, they did, but...I'm getting to TFA... I had little time for them, so they watched a lot of TV. My mother only had the basic stuff, so that's what they watched.

    Oh. My. FSM.

    All channels were at least 1/3 commercials. Lots of the kids programs were basically extended commercials. Ones that weren't, were braindead: SpongeBob? Spare me ever hearing that again. Nature channels? Grade school, and even in our two week window, lots and lots of repeats. I'm not British, but BBC's free content puts US programs to shame. Funny, how it wasn't available. Probably because it doesn't run 1/3 commercials.

    US TV could die a death, and no one would miss it....

    • No offense but this reads like people who claim American food is nothing but "McDonalds burgers and white bread" and it's just as silly as Americans who claim all British food is bad. Good things are out there if you look for it a bit. American TV has lot's of crap but so does American music and yet there a large number of American shows and music acts that are fantastic.

      Every country has their good programming, good food and good music and they all have a fair amount of garbage. America produces a lot

  • I think it’s been 10 years since our family has watched free to air or cable TV. Surprised it was still a thing.

  • Nielsen's performance has been waning since long before the COVID pandemic hit us -- so the past year might be at worst a red herring, but at best it's still simply a larger sample demonstrating what most in the industry had already figured out. The fact is, Nielsen's methodology is no longer effective in todays market.

    Think about it: More and more people have switched over to some form of streaming on demand, and -- let's just be honest, here -- the cable companies really suck at that. Therefore, the first

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