Virtual Comic-Con Includes Trailers For 'Blade Runner' Series, 'Dune' Movie - and NASA Panels (space.com) 71
Rotten Tomatoes and The Verge have gathered up the trailers that did premier. Some of the highlights:
- Blade Runner: Black Lotus , an upcoming anime television series set to premiere in late 2021 on Crunchyroll and Adult Swim (co-producing it with Alcon Television Group).
- The upcoming remake of Dune
- J.J. Abrams' new four-part Showtime documentary about UFOs.
- Season 2 of Star Trek: Lower Decks and the new Star Trek: Prodigy, a CGI-animated series about a group of aliens who escape captivity onboard the Enterprise.
But interestingly, one of the more visibile presenters was: NASA. Current and former NASA officials made appearances on several different panels, according to Space.com, including one on modern space law, U.N. treaty-making, and how it all stacks up against the portrayal we get in our various future-space franchises. And a former NASA astronaut was also part of a panel touting a virtual simulation platform, "where students can have access to the same tools that professionals use and in the case of space are given the opportunity to solve real problems related to missions to our Moon, Mars, and beyond... from piloting to terra-forming to creating habitats and spacecraft."
There was also a panel of four NASA engineers titled "No Tow Trucks Beyond Mars," on "how we go boldly where there's no one around to fix it. Hear stories from the trenches of the heartbreaks, close calls, and adventures of real-life landing (and flying!) on Mars and our round-table discussion of what Netflix got right in their movie Stowaway."
Sunday's panels will include an astronomer, an astrobiologist, and a geologist/paleontologist discussing "The Science of Star Wars" with the concept designer for Star Wars episodes 7-9, Rogue One, and Solo.
God, the Dune trailer looks awful (Score:5, Insightful)
It really doesn't make me want to watch it. It's clearly another boring action movie with too much background music and ultra-predictable plot lines. The original Lynch movie wasn't much to write home about, but at least it had something different and original, and wasn't yet another Marvel-esque bromide set in another franchise universe.
I really wish Jodorowski had gotten around to making his own [wikipedia.org] Dune movie. Now *that* would have been something spectacular...
Re:God, the Dune trailer looks awful (Score:5, Insightful)
Dune is too big for a movie, it needs a prestige TV series.
And/or series that are set in the Dune universe but not actual adaptations of the books, that could be awesome too.
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"Dune is too big for a movie, it needs a prestige TV series."
it was also too big for a pocket.
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Dune does not work in a movie format. A lot of it is told in inner monologue and character reactions to events rather than watching events happen. That is really, really hard to do in a movie.
Can you imagine the 5th book as a movie?
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It really doesn't make me want to watch it. It's clearly another boring action movie with too much background music and ultra-predictable plot lines.
Thank you. Happened to see the trailer the other day and thought what they showed was shit. Flat acting, over-cgied scenes, too much music (too many notes to use the vernacular).
A movie for Dune (having never read the books) needs to be like Blade Runner 2049. If you saw that movie you'll understand how little dialog (and music) can be so powerful. You do no
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I know people harp on the Kyle McLaughlin/Sting/Patrick Stewart version for not getting the flying vehicles right and some other tidbits, but compared to the later William Hurt version, it was like watching a well produced Hollywood movie compared to something someone produced in their basement with their neighbor's help.
This current version doesn't look any better. Not that I would see it anyway. I can't think of a single movie I wanted to see in the last decade or so. It's all crap (in my opinion).
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I can't think of a single movie I wanted to see in the last decade or so. It's all crap (in my opinion).
Heh -- "tell us you're old without telling us you're old"
Not that I disagree, being old and cynical myself -- but I think half of the problem is that by the time you've seen several decades' worth of movies, you're already familiar with all the tropes, so what would seem new and imaginative to fresh eyes looks like Yet Another Tedious Rehash of [earlier movies X, Y, and Z] to yours (and mine).
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They all have the exact same problem, too much nepotism and too many crappy writers. Then there is trying to make the content appealing to males and females at the same time, to testosterone and oestrogen at the same time, competition (action) and cooperation (drama) at the same time. The delusion of one content fits all, take it or leave, it (the greedy little dream, half as much content to appeal to twice as many people, yes, we just have to warp the minds to be like our crazy fuck head delusions), in the
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And in book two, Paul and his revolution is responsible for 60 billion deaths. (But actually in Frank's story, without Paul - or actually, his son, 'cos Paul chickens out, we go extinct.)
What kills me is that Herbert's notes for book seven were never released. Instead, we got his son's absolute crap writing. And none of the final questions properly answered (such as where did the spice come from, Arrakis was once a water planet before the worms). IMHO, Frank's universe building trumps Tolkien's black and wh
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Dune has the problem of needing to make the audience sympathize with Paul and hate his family's enemies, while understanding that the entire human species would be much better off if he just died immediately instead of persevering.
You must have read different Dune books than I did. Paul's universe was a crucible that removed some of the dross on the way to making a better human.
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That's the problem there...In Frank's universe, there's a lot of talking...so much blah, blah, blah. Everyone always needs to be giving a speech.
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A movie for Dune (having never read the books) needs to be like Blade Runner 2049.
If you've never read Dune then how can you say what it needs to be like? Blader Runner 2049 is a much different story than Dune.
If you saw that movie you'll understand how little dialog (and music) can be so powerful.
Officer K in Blade Runner 2049 is a replicant detective that does not need to speak much to do his job which is mainly "retiring" other replicants. Paul Atreides is the son of the Duke who has been since birth trained to take his father's place someday as leader of House Atreides. These are very different characters. I would imagine leading a royal family would require speaking a l
"Dune": Just film BIG ACTORS in a sandbox (Score:4, Insightful)
The approach taken for both the Dune movies seems to be take a bunch of popular actors at the time of filming and just put them in a bunch of scenes with sand (and maybe a sandworm).
In the new movie, there maybe some inspired choices (like Kenneth McMillian, Brad Douriff and Sting in the 1984 version), but I suspect there will be equally bad choices (I still cringe at Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck and Jose Ferrer as the emperor) - I like Dave Bautista but as the Beast Rabban or Jason Momoa as Duncan Idaho? I guess the "woke" crowd will be happy with Sharon Duncan-Brewster but Liet Kynes is clearly not a woman in the book. Josh Brolin *might* be good as Gurney Halleck. But no Feyd Rautha (I guess nobody can overshadow Bautista as the big evil of the Harkonnen clan) is enough to keep me away.
Of course "Dune" will be a big hit internationally and with people who would never consider opening a book so that means sequels down the road - just like "Starship Troopers", only worse.
I never think of 1984's "Dune" as a David Lynch movie - I've always associated it with Dino De Laurentiis. I guess because at the time it was hyped as his movie.
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"seems to be take a bunch of popular actors "
It would be much cheaper to fake those too.
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I guess the "woke" crowd will be happy with Sharon Duncan-Brewster but Liet Kynes is clearly not a woman in the book.
Switching a few characters over to female isn't necessarily a "woke" move, it's likely just trying to make the film more appealing to ladies. Most old Sci Fi takes place in what is very much a mans world and the few female characters of prominence they might feature often arent written very well.
In other words, I think it's likely that they switch genders on that character to make the flick more appealing to 50% of the population as opposed to any "woke" ideals. It's just good marketing.
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Why would switching to female characters appeal to women specifically? Since when did men stopped wanting to look at beautiful women?
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I guess you haven't read the book - it really isn't lacking for strong female characters (ie Jessica, Chani, the Reverend Mother, Princess Irulan, Harah even Shadout Mapes and I would include Paul's sister Alia even though... read the book).
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> Most old Sci Fi takes place in what is very much a
> mans world
Yeah, but that's not the case in the Dune universe. Fremen women fought alongside, and just as well, as the men. While the Fremen might not have allowed a women to become a Naib, you can't claim that the Sayyadina were not extremely powerful and influential. Then, of course, there's the Bene Gesserit and the Fish Speakers. It's made quite clear that Jessica could easily bend Leto or even Hawat to her will with little effort, should sh
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Most old Sci Fi takes place in what is very much a mans world
Then maybe it's time to retire some of the old sci-fi. I would much prefer to see Seven Eves made into a movie.
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With the fun bit being that if there has ever been source material for a halfway decent "woke" film, it's this. Remember the premise? Some desert dwelling people sitting on top of the most sought after substance in the universe, with two sides vying for control of it, one of them very willing to just wipe out the desert people, one of them at least wanting to work with them?
With Hollywood hellbent on making everything woke, how about finally making it a woke movie AND turning it into one that can actually b
The Fremen were inspired by Arab/Islamic peoples (Score:2)
With Hollywood hellbent on making everything woke, how about finally making it a woke movie AND turning it into one that can actually be made? I.e. tell the story from the Fremen point of view.
I'd be okay with that, but remember that the Fremen were based on Arab/Islamic peoples and their culture. Do a search on "dune fremen arab" to see what I mean.
I'm sure such a movie would be a big hit in some parts of the globe, but in the Western world? Probably not so much.
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You think a movie about the poor, oppressed Arabs isn't a big hit in wokeland? C'mon.
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I wouldn't read too much into the trailer, they are often unrepresentative of the actual product.
Like the He-Man teaser that was awesome but the show is a bit meh.
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Actually, I'm going by the cast list rather than the trailer.
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You might be right but I am optimistic about it since this is a passion project for Denis Villeneuve, apparently he has wanted to make an adaptation for a long time. He's also producing it and got it split into two parts which is probably still a bit crammed but tis isn't entirely a jaded Hollywood cash grab.
I personally really enjoyed Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 was really quite well done, one of those films that was really much better than it had any right to be considering it's a sequel 30 years late
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one of those films that was really much better than it had any right to be considering it's a sequel 30 years late
no, no, no, it was actually better than the original.
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"Comic-Con went virtual again in 2020" (Score:3)
"upcoming remake of Dune" (Score:3)
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Does Dune really need to be remade?
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Indeed we do. No, unironically.
Dune is the only source material I could think of that can actually be made into a "woke" movie without ruining the premise. It is perfect for this. You have a desert dwelling people who are pitted into the struggle of two superpowers trying to get the most valuable substance in the universe that these people are sitting on.
Lemme give you the script really quickly.
We're following the story of Plucky Female Protagonist (PFP), a Fremen girl. Her father is an old, disgruntled war
Re:"upcoming remake of Dune" (Score:4, Insightful)
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If you look back on the past couple reboots, relaunches, refurbishing and rewhatever, can you honestly say that ANY movie really needed to be remade?
Name one that was better than the original they cribbed from.
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What with H.R.Giger, Dan O'Bannon, Pink Floyd, Salvador Dali, Orson Welles, Mick Jagger,
I think I just threw up a little
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It's been cancelled, there's not going to be any more Star Wars.
Re:What's the obssession with Dune? (Score:4, Funny)
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Well, they basically drove the train against the wall, where would they wanna go with the wreck?
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Rogue Squadron is due in 2023.
The Mandalorian has been renewed and there are two confirmed live action spin-offs, Ashoka and The Book of Boba Fett.
The Bad Batch is currently airing. It's... Okay, not spectacular but not awful.
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What scientific idea is at the heart of Dune? Sandworms? A drug that only comes form one planet? Traveling through space on mental powers?
You don't know what science is.
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What scientific idea is at the heart of Dune? Sandworms? A drug that only comes form one planet? Traveling through space on mental powers?
You don't know what science is.
The idea of a "ban on thinking machines" is a pretty good premise for either hard or soft sci-fi. It takes an existing piece of technology, speculates about what that technology will look like in the future, and then speculates about how society will react to it.
Of course the premise is never really explored, except for some handwavy stuff about Mentats being used to replace computers. (How is the ban enforced across multiple societies and planets, when anyone can build a computer in their garage? How doe
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roflmao, Neuromancer is schlock. the "explanation" given in that book is that "every AI is built with an electromagnetic shotgun wired into its forehead". uh, okay, sure...
i totally agree Dune is a fantasy, but i think it's a pretty good one with both moral urgency and moral ambiguity, some very engaging characters, and a coherent aesthetic loosely based on human history in the near east.
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roflmao, Neuromancer is schlock. the "explanation" given in that book is that "every AI is built with an electromagnetic shotgun wired into its forehead". uh, okay, sure...
i totally agree Dune is a fantasy, but i think it's a pretty good one with both moral urgency and moral ambiguity, some very engaging characters, and a coherent aesthetic loosely based on human history in the near east.
What's wrong with "every AI is built with an electromagnetic shotgun wired into its forehead?" It's a much more plausible scenario than "we're going to ban all computers, even simple calculators". (Remember, a smart twelve-year-old can build a simple calculator). There is also a glimpse at the agencies who are responsible for enforcing the ban on strong AI; there's the quite imaginative conceit of an AI that has been deliberately crippled by splitting it into two halves; and there's that great final deta
Not the Enterprise (Score:3)
Last season Lower Decks had a joke about ignorant people assuming all Starfleet ships are the Enterprise.
The ship in Prodigy is called the USS Protostar.
Sometimes it takes a while to get a good remake (Score:2)
Did you know that there was at least 2 versions of the "Maltese Falcon" before the 1941 Bogart classic? I *think* there were four versions of "Dracula" before the Bela Legosi version (and god knows how many after). It would be fairly easy to list a thousand or movie movies that are remakes.
Personally, if a film is a classic, then I'm loath to see a remake - but that isn't the feeling in Hollywood where remakes can and do make shit tonnes of money.
Which is the whole point of the exercise.
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I don't mind so much that movies get remade. There's tons of movies from the early days of screenplay that got a facelift and it was great. Or at least good.
The problem is that in the more recent years, Hollywood really dropped the ball on it. The theme seems to be that script and writing don't matter as long as CGI and flashy boom-boom effects are running the show.
That doesn't build a franchise. A franchise is built on character recognition and fan nostalgia. Nostalgia in turn requies people to think back
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"script and writing don't matter"
oh, script and writing matter a lot; it all goes through teams and consultants and teams of consultants to ensure that the movie will be palatable to international audiences and developing markets. lots of effort there since it can easily means tens of millions of dollars.
now, the source material and, frankly, your individual opinion as a person familiar with and interested in the source material? that truly doesn't matter to them, except perhaps as a warning. people like us
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So international audiences enjoy having a token character of their nationality in the cast more than they enjoy a sensible script?
Personally, I'd feel insulted, but hey, different cultures, different ways to insult them.
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nah, token characters are mostly for american liberal woke-scolds and they're comically easy to deal with. just have a woman make out with another woman for a few seconds, or even be married or whatever, then take it out for international markets where it's a problem.
i meant actual international markets, not the pandering to self-styled cosmopolitan americans lol. think more along the lines of "don't have the authoritarian government bad guys institute a one-child policy in the movie, if you want your movie
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Ok, but that doesn't explain the awful writing we get to see in the current movies that get cranked out in Hollywood. I don't get it, millions for CGI and effects but they can't be assed to throw at least a couple bucks at someone who can write a story that makes sense? Hell, even I have proofreaders and plothole sniffers to dig through my stories, and I don't write scripts for multi-million dollar blockbusters.
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It's a funny contradiction that many anti-remake people are drama purists who like classic stage plays, whether it's Shakespeare or Samuel Beckett. Pretty much every performance of a stage play is a remake. You don't hear people complaining that the only true Shakespeare took place the first time around in the 16th century.
That being said, most remakes (by volume, at least) seem to be shitty attempts to cash in and are more or less awful.
But I do think there's a ton of films which could benefit from a rem
Anime? Screw that. (Score:3)
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Anime ruins everything it touches, so this will be crap.
Bladerunner 2049 wasn't anime, but it was crap.
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Bladerunner 2049 wasn't anime, but it was crap.
The world generally disagrees with you https://www.metacritic.com/mov... [metacritic.com] .
Plus I really rather liked it.
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Animated versions of live action shows are sometimes okay. The Real Ghostbusters was great.
Tron Uprising was decent. Star Trek The Animated Series had it's moments.
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This is not anime. It's 3D rendered crap, made by the same group of people who made that shitty 3D Ghost in the Shell series. Let's see if having Shinichirou Watanabe as creative director makes it any better, but I doubt it.
Lame, lame, lame (Score:3)
Can't these geniuses ever come up with anything new, and not just keep retreading stuff from the 60s?
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That would require intelligence and creativity, something Hollywood lacks.