UFO Whistleblowers Would Get Immunity Under New Amendment (thedrive.com) 59
Howard Altman writes via The Drive: In an effort to protect those with information about unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and increase the influx of reports about them, Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wisc) has introduced (PDF) an amendment to the Fiscal Year 2023 National Defense Authorization Act. "The amendment would establish a process within the government for reporting UAPs and provide whistleblower-like protections," Gallagher's spokesman Jordan Dunn told The War Zone Thursday morning. For a multitude of reasons, U.S. troops and government contractors have traditionally been reluctant to come forward with information about these incidents, regardless of their validity. Beyond that, there have also been long-standing allegations that the government and defense contractors could be hiding previous UFO-related programs and evidence. This would allow those with information to come forward without retribution. Some have even posited that language like that in Gallagher's amendment could lead to "UFO disclosure."
In essence, it says that regardless of any previous written or oral non-disclosure agreements "that could be interpreted as a legal constraint on reporting by a witness of an unidentified aerial phenomena," those with information about UAPs, more commonly known as UFOs, would not be violating federal classified information laws if they come forward. The amendment also calls for the head of the new Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group (AOIMSG), tasked with investigating UAPs on behalf of the Defense Secretary and Director of National Intelligence, to establish "a secure system" for receiving reports of "any events relating to" UAPs and any government or government contractor activity or program related to UAPs. The reporting system shall be administered by "designated and widely known, easily accessible, and appropriately cleared Department of Defense and intelligence community employees or contractors" as part of AOIMSG, which is a much enhanced and more deeply mandated effort that replaced the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.
Any information would first be screened "to prevent unauthorized public reporting or compromise of properly classified military and intelligence systems, programs, and related activity, including all categories and levels of special access and compartmented access programs, current, historical, and future." However, federal agencies and contractors working with the government would be precluded from taking actions, including suspending security clearances, for those who report UAP incidents and information. And those who are retaliated against "may bring a private civil action for all appropriate remedies, including injunctive relief and compensatory and punitive damages, against the Government or other employer who took the personnel action, in the United States Court of Federal Claims," the amendment states.
In essence, it says that regardless of any previous written or oral non-disclosure agreements "that could be interpreted as a legal constraint on reporting by a witness of an unidentified aerial phenomena," those with information about UAPs, more commonly known as UFOs, would not be violating federal classified information laws if they come forward. The amendment also calls for the head of the new Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group (AOIMSG), tasked with investigating UAPs on behalf of the Defense Secretary and Director of National Intelligence, to establish "a secure system" for receiving reports of "any events relating to" UAPs and any government or government contractor activity or program related to UAPs. The reporting system shall be administered by "designated and widely known, easily accessible, and appropriately cleared Department of Defense and intelligence community employees or contractors" as part of AOIMSG, which is a much enhanced and more deeply mandated effort that replaced the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.
Any information would first be screened "to prevent unauthorized public reporting or compromise of properly classified military and intelligence systems, programs, and related activity, including all categories and levels of special access and compartmented access programs, current, historical, and future." However, federal agencies and contractors working with the government would be precluded from taking actions, including suspending security clearances, for those who report UAP incidents and information. And those who are retaliated against "may bring a private civil action for all appropriate remedies, including injunctive relief and compensatory and punitive damages, against the Government or other employer who took the personnel action, in the United States Court of Federal Claims," the amendment states.
Finally! (Score:2)
Re:Finally! (Score:4, Funny)
Sir, this is a Wendy's, your sex life is of no concern to us.
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Will Be A Babysitter For The Crazies. (Score:5, Funny)
If there were aliens, they would have showed up long ago, and we would be already dead.
Or enslaved with permanent anal probes for control.
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If there were aliens, they would have showed up long ago, and we would be already dead.
Or enslaved with permanent anal probes for control.
When I was in submarines. we'd occasional hear an UUS - unidentified underwater sound. Will that protect UUS whistleblowers or will the aliens continue to hide in the ocean? Where is SHADO when we need them?
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That's not an UUS, that's Sky1 taking off.
I mean, you didn't hear anything, right?
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You mean the beings from the movie The Abyss?
I think they are generally trying to stay out of the way of humanity, but may decide to step in if they decide humanity is destroying the planet...
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Hell, they may be a bunch of grad students trying to justify silly drunken prats buzzing a primitive planet.
Realistically, if they don't have a fast FTL, the likelihood of them even finding us is tiny - nothing more than 150 ly away will even have had a chance to see us. Which leaves 99.999% of the galaxy, if it were filled with advanced civili
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Actually, some non-human species were here but they left because, in the evolution of humans, humans stagnated because they started to rely too much on the non-human species instead of evolving.
Today we have the same problem, only it's a lower species the human race is being stagnated by. And that is failing governments and their cohorts.
To realize this is to understand so-called "aliens" level of intelligence and understanding of reality have no reason to suppress what they probably had a hand in creating.
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But they ran out of funding and sent Donald instead.
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Priorities. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's good to see some politicians have their priorities right! Space aliens are of course a real issue.
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What exactly do they get "immunity" from?
Maybe he wants immunity from public ridicule and being called a dumbass.
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The summary states that they would get immunity from "violating federal classified information laws."
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Re: Priorities. (Score:2)
It's an election year.
Gudda get them votes of that "I was abducted and rectally probed by aliens" Wisconsin demographic.
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I'm not talking states but certain demographics within states.
As such, while certain geographic locations are more susceptible to certain sightings (e.g. not many Chupacabra sightings in the north due to the local Bigfoot population) - no location is immune from UFO sightings.
Sky being available everywhere and all that.
And since giving voting rights to Bigfoots is un-Republican (they've had a thing against expanding voting rights for a while now. [facingsouth.org]) - might as well go for the folks who do have the right to vo
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> It's good to see some politicians have their priorities right! Space aliens are of course a real issue.
Maybe government constantly lying about everything and covering up corruption is an actual issue, this just being one among multitudes. Remember the transitory inflation and "if you get the vaccine you can't catch covid"? Yeah, everybody does.
How many times has government changed its story on Roswell? It doesn't matter what the story changes *are* it's that they're constantly lying.
It won't matter
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It's good to see some politicians have their priorities right! Space aliens are of course a real issue.
I hear that some politicians now want a separate educational academy, like West Point & Annapolis, for persons wanting to defend the US from off-world threats.
Those politicians ran into a serious stumbling block in their plans.
Do they call new entrants to that academy...SPACE CADETS?
Good. (Score:4, Insightful)
When I was a grown adult, I had a realization, went out to my backyard and saw the lights again. Then I listened to test my hypothesis.
My hypothesis was right: the lights "in the low clouds" were just the headlights from the cars going up a road near my house. The lights in the clouds appeared every time I could hear a car going up that road.
But I'm sure the authorities would love everyone and their mother reporting every thing they didn't have an immediate explanation for. We should flood the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, and the Pentagon with all these reports.
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... or you could read TFS and realize it has nothing to do with what you are talking about, but only addresses the use of government and government-contractor NDAs, or national security rules, to keep witnesses of supposed UFOs from reporting those to a specific government office tasked with handling such reports.
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I simply used an example from my own life.
That doesn't mean government employees can't have the same experience. Dumbass.
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Your cool-story-brah was about you being a dumb, pre-adult teenager. This program only affects adults
Because adults don't mistakenly misidentify things. No. That's why there have never been adults who report things that were completely stupid.
Your mention of three-letter agencies was similarly dumb; TFS identifies a new, six-letter, agency as the one that would process these reports.
Wow, you're one of THESE people.
People make a point and give an incomplete list of things to make the point.
Then retards like you come along and CANNOT extrapolate or take examples for what they are. Instead, you are incapable of thinking beyond what was immediately listed. I must list every possible element of a set, because you're too fucking literal.
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This amendment would only allow reports to be sent to one particular office, by government employees and contractors, so your hypothesis about the general public flooding the NSA, CIA, FBI and Pentagon with reports is as dumb as you were as a kid. It's not a case of me being unable to extrapolate -- it's a case of you extrapolating when extrapolation is specifically excluded.
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by government employees and contractors, so your hypothesis about the general public
Government employees and contractors don't have friends or families, or internet contacts passing stories or footage to them? Especially if they hear about this new amendment?
It's not a case of me being unable to extrapolate
Fucking hell. This is literally one of the best examples of you being unable to extrapolate.
Jesus Fucking Christ.
I eagerly await your next demonstration of how utterly incapable you are of not taking everything literally and without extension. I've even left a few obvious gaps in this reply just to see the depths of your ineptitu
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Government employees and contractors passing along rumors or stories from friends and relatives would not be affected by this amendment because passing along third-person reports is not related to "any government or government contractor activity", and also because passing along rumors is not limited by NDAs or national security rules.
This is a prime example of you doubling down on half-baked ideas based on your failure to read or understand simple English.
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You fell for my deliberately obvious gaps hook line and sinker.
I can't waste anymore time thinking for you. Good luck in your life and your job that obviously doesn't demand any strenuous thinking of you.
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Well, claiming to be a stupid, evil troll who pushes claims with intentional holes is ONE way to respond when people call out the gaps and errors in your comments.
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Your cool-story-brah was about you being a dumb, pre-adult teenager. This program only affects adults
Because adults don't mistakenly misidentify things. No. That's why there have never been adults who report things that were completely stupid.
Your mention of three-letter agencies was similarly dumb; TFS identifies a new, six-letter, agency as the one that would process these reports.
All that aside, the UFO's is real! crowd are "arguing from personal incredulity" as Richard Dawkins might say. They are not personally capable of deductive reasoning and critical thinking. They exhibit the effect then of thinking their inability makes it everyone's inability. Therefore anything they see in the sky that they cannot personally explain is not explainable by anything other than Aliens.
We see this every day with whackadoodle claims that the Pyramids had to be built by aliens, that since they
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We've made a big problem by putting these kooks in any position of power.
Well, in theory the so called democracy isn't to elect the best for the people, its for what the people (supposed) wants more; some sort of coliseum games. btw; I have been your comments related to altimeters/FAA/5G, and You seems to be an old sea wolf (no offense intended) in several fields, if it isn't too much bother, could You suggest me some bibilography about RF/Altimeters/Normative; I am someone related to electronics, aviation and the regulations about it and I'm trying to carry out a test to verify/deny in order to pass it to a board and try to release and ammend over aeronautic/aeronavigation safety over there. But first I want to update the state of the art, develop a methodology and process to run on field and the proper evaluation. This is strictly personal (In the sense I'm doing it on my own and without paywall of anyone and anything). And I'm aware it is a long shot , (and in fact, it's clear there are interference,not only with the radar devices but all electronic/electric devices , power lines, etc, the quid is to assest if this is enough to tamper or alter to a dangerous level the operation of the instruments). Thanks in advance and sorry if this bother You. Greetings. -- Don't you know that I'm still standing better than I ever did? Looking like a true survivor, feeling like a little kid
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Nothing in TFS precludes what I've said, dipshit.
Except for the long rant about nothing in the article? Thanks for letting us know you are a complete dumbass that took years to figure out it was car headlights.
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Yes. The actual intent of the bill is probably even worse than just assuming a politician thinks space aliens are important.
So I think I'll stick with the space aliens to protect my brain..
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My hypothesis was right: the lights "in the low clouds" were just the headlights from the cars going up a road near my house. The lights in the clouds appeared every time I could hear a car going up that road. But I'm sure the authorities would love everyone and their mother reporting every thing they didn't have an immediate explanation for. We should flood the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, and the Pentagon with all these reports.
The USA and Republican politicians are descending into Ancient Aliens conspiracy land, where the evul Dumbacrats are cooperating with ancient Aliens in area 52 (51 was a scam to prevent the truth from getting out) We have all of their uber secret technology, anti-gravity, time travel and teleportation. We just aren't using it in the first case where the military has gotten strategic toys but won't use them.
So yes - if conspiracy theories that have anyone seeing a UFO being sworn to secrecy, and killed if
It is not about the aliens (Score:2)
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Came here to say this. Although most "sightings" are just lens or digital noise artifacts, most of what remains are terrestrial aircraft. Unmanned drones are most likely what we are looking for.
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Which already happens, and which this bill is going to make harder to keep secret if needed.
I'm all for open government and whistleblowers. This however is not one of those things.
Its more than just incidents to expose. (Score:1)
There are technologies that have been gained, reverse engineered, that can provide non-billable free energy which is being kept from the public under the claim of being a matter of national security. From an economic POV this has perhaps some validity. However, the base knowledge applied can produce a great deal more in benefits beyond energy, but also in such fields as medical equipment capable of healing beyond what we currently have.
Bob Lazar is called a conspiracy theorist in the hear-say and provably b
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Oh bullshit, the bill is by a Republican nutjob who thinks there's a giant conspiracy concerning UFOs.
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I think there's a giant conspiracy concerning UFOs... in that there is currently a conspiracy to use UFO bullshit to distract us from the fact that our standing military is injurious to freedom.
If you look at the footage the military released and claimed they couldn't explain, a lot of it was trivially explainable as lens artifacts and such. So there are elements within the military who are pushing a known bullshit UFO scare. That sounds like a conspiracy to me! Even a cover up. But it's not of aliens, it's
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Why is it that these alien technologies only seem to fall into the hands of societies controlled by capitalists in cahoots with a military-industrial complex who always suppress the new technology?
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There is no debunked of the wikipedia. Does not exist.
The main way I know this is that there is no such thing as the Federal Office of Debunking. Claiming that things have been 'debunked' without mention of how and when makes you look stupid.
There are courts to press charges and be found guilty, not guilty, liable, and not liable. There are newspapers that try to debunk, etc.
But those are the very organizations that you think are out to get him.
In other words, all the accusations against him have been su
"Whistleblowers"? - say WHAT? (Score:2)
What are they blowing on the whistle for?
I think we all _love_ the idea of a HHG2TG concept, apart from the bit where they destroy our planet for a bypass, considering our planet an unimportant backwater, but the Fermi paradox is as true today as it was when considered and proposed.
Finding extraterrestrial life is akin to trying to find a specific single grain of sand on all of the beaches on earth.
And heck, imagine we _do_ capture a clear signal of intelligence, from a distant point in _our_ galaxy, only t
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Totally weird moment - and not lying here, as I was typing this, the Eagles, "Journey of the Sorcerer" cropped up on my music stream ... hmmm,.
Makes zero sense unless you're a Russian stooge. (Score:2)
100% of the real "UAP" and "UFO"s are covert military programs testing out advanced technology. The ONLY reason why you'd ever want to make a law like this would be so double agents and disgruntled engineers can leak classified technology publicly so rival countries can start their own advanced programs. Somebody look into this guy's recent foreign trips and his bank accounts.
An (R)? (Score:2)
If a Republican writes it, it will protect the whistle blower only if they don't report any LGBTQ+ aliens.
Wrong target (Score:2)