The Ashes of Four 'Star Trek' Actors Will Be Carried Into Deep Space (cnn.com) 65
United Launch Alliance has been developing a heavy-lift space vehicle since 2014 (with investment from the U.S. military) called the Vulcan Centaur.
So CNN reports that the ashes of the late Star Trek actress Nichelle Nichols "will head to deep space on a Vulcan rocket." Nichols' cremated remains will be aboard the first Celestis Voyager Memorial Spaceflight, which will launch from Cape Canaveral, Florida. Celestis, Inc., is a private company that conducts memorial spaceflights. Among the remains also aboard the flight will be the ashes of "Star Trek" creator Gene Roddenberry; his wife, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, who played various roles in the show and films; and James Doohan, who played Montgomery "Scotty" Scott in the films and TV series....
The spaceflight will travel beyond NASA's James Webb Space Telescope and into interplanetary deep space. In addition to cremated remains, capsules onboard will also carry complete human genome DNA samples from willing participants.
People can participate in the flight — by having DNA or loved ones' remains in a spaceflight container — for a price starting at $12,500, and reservations close August 31. (Celestis offers other voyages that don't travel as far, but can cost less than $5,000.) Ahead of the flight's liftoff, Celestis will host a three-day event with mission briefings, an astronaut-hosted dinner, launch site tours, an on-site memorial service and launch viewing. All events will be shown via webcast, according to Celestis.
An announcement on the flight's site invites fans of Nichelle Nichols to "share your own story about how she inspired you and it will be sent into deep space aboard the first Celestis Voyager Memorial Spaceflight — the Enterprise Flight, launching later in 2022."
So CNN reports that the ashes of the late Star Trek actress Nichelle Nichols "will head to deep space on a Vulcan rocket." Nichols' cremated remains will be aboard the first Celestis Voyager Memorial Spaceflight, which will launch from Cape Canaveral, Florida. Celestis, Inc., is a private company that conducts memorial spaceflights. Among the remains also aboard the flight will be the ashes of "Star Trek" creator Gene Roddenberry; his wife, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, who played various roles in the show and films; and James Doohan, who played Montgomery "Scotty" Scott in the films and TV series....
The spaceflight will travel beyond NASA's James Webb Space Telescope and into interplanetary deep space. In addition to cremated remains, capsules onboard will also carry complete human genome DNA samples from willing participants.
People can participate in the flight — by having DNA or loved ones' remains in a spaceflight container — for a price starting at $12,500, and reservations close August 31. (Celestis offers other voyages that don't travel as far, but can cost less than $5,000.) Ahead of the flight's liftoff, Celestis will host a three-day event with mission briefings, an astronaut-hosted dinner, launch site tours, an on-site memorial service and launch viewing. All events will be shown via webcast, according to Celestis.
An announcement on the flight's site invites fans of Nichelle Nichols to "share your own story about how she inspired you and it will be sent into deep space aboard the first Celestis Voyager Memorial Spaceflight — the Enterprise Flight, launching later in 2022."
Re:Again? (Score:4, Insightful)
I am pretty sure James didn't try anything. He's dead. RIP.
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Didn't James Doohan try this before. Seemingly 1cm tube of remains went up a few years ago but didn't make it due to an aborded flight.
Probably more of his remains. A friend's father was on that same rocket years ago. My understanding is they take some of the ashes and it's mixed in with some glass. That way it can't go anywhere. There it'll be until I suppose it re-enters earth's atmosphere. I think he said that's supposed to be 13,000 years. At least for that trip. The rest of his remains they spread out over some of their families property. I don't think they spread all of it. They spread the majority of them.
Vanity Even In Death (Score:1)
Looking Good!!
Re:Vanity Even In Death (Score:4, Interesting)
What do you mean by "paying that amount of money", exactly?
Have you taken a look at the cost of a normal funeral, an urn or a coffin, a cemetery lot and a tombstone? Granted, most people going through this probably already have the lot and the tombstone (i.e. family) but even then it's not exactly cheap for the rest of it.
The rest of the crew? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:The rest of the crew? (Score:5, Informative)
Good question. Maybe they were buried and not cremated.
Nimoy most certainly was buried [bbc.com].
In the case of DeForest Kelley, he was cremated with his ashes spread over the Pacific Ocean [wikipedia.org].
Re: The rest of the crew? (Score:2)
What happened to William Shatner's remains?
Re: The rest of the crew? (Score:4, Interesting)
but the thing is, he remains still alive. Shocking, isn't it? He even flew into space on Blue Origin flight.
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Why die? He will live forever. :)
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Last time I checked, his remains were still alive and running around.
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I saw him at a local theater after "Wrath of Khan" 2.5 years ago, and he was most certainly running around on stage. I wish to be that active at that age.
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And for that matter - what about Welshy [youtu.be]?
DNA?? (Score:1)
Send human DNA into deep space, are you KIDDING? Did nobody read the "The Dark Forest" (part of the "Three Body Problem" trilogy)? Or otherwise encounter the Dark Forest hypothesis as explanation for the Fermi Paradox?
The Fermi Paradox is a recognition that there must be so many habitable planets in the vastness of the universe that it's just too improbable for there NOT to be a large number of instances where intelligent life arises. But if so, then why have we never heard from any?
The Dark Forest idea
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So if you encounter any other civilization, the only smart option is to try your best to exterminate it before it exterminates you.
Ahhh... this brings up so many memories...
1492 (America, Columbus)
American frontier
West vs East
Looks like business as usual here on Earth, so we are going to thrive in the "dark forest".
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Just because the human race seems to have evolved to become self-exterminating idiots doesn't mean other intelligent life in the Universe evolved the same way.
Re: DNA?? (Score:1)
Itâ(TM)s game theory. Of all the civilizations that evolve, the aggressive ones will destroy the passive ones. Read about it. Hereâ(TM)s one reference among many:
https://bigthink.com/surprisin... [bigthink.com]
And it doesnâ(TM)t matter how aggressive we are if we are found by an older, stronger race they must wipe us out before we become strong enough to threaten them.
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It's a theory that might as well be based on the notion that the Moon is made of cheese. Why anyone would take it seriously is beyond me.
Maybe it's a sort of human-centric arrogance. It makes people feel like they're important and can affect the way of things. It's like a group of monkeys on a little island thinking that they're a potential threat to the Global American Empire.
It's extremely unlikely that a neighboring alien civilization would be only barely more technologically advanced than us, to a point
Because ... radio waves (Score:2)
Why anyone would take it seriously is beyond me.
Have you considered radio waves?
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We literally cannot imagine what our descendants will be like in a million years
Neither can the aliens. That's why you exterminate the primitive. Also given the inconvenience of the distances involved you exterminate as encountered. Keeping the local sphere of influence as clean as possible. Fewer unpleasant surprises this way.
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This is idiotic.
Again, you can't start off from a patently false premise and come up with something actionable. There is no forest. There are no tree trunks filling the universe that you can hide behind. We live on a bright beacon on a flat empty plain stretching to infinity. You can see much further than you can physically reach. Therefore, every alien civilization that could touch us must already know we're here. Yet we are still alive.
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This is idiotic. Again, you can't start off from a patently false premise and come up with something actionable. There is no forest. There are no tree trunks ...
I said no such thing and they have no relationship to my argument. Care to respond with something other than a straw man?
We live on a bright beacon on a flat empty plain stretching to infinity.
That beacon has only been on for about a century.
Therefore, every alien civilization that could touch us must already know we're here. Yet we are still alive.
No, only those within about 100 light years would be aware of us and they would likely need many times 100 years to get here.
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Looking at the only data point you have is, generally, the right way to bet about outcomes. It's not inevitably correct, but it's one of the more credible solutions to questions raised by the Drake Equation. Many solutions to that solution guess that there should be many technological civilizations within range of our radio telescopes for us to notice, and lead to a logical followup question of "why is it so quiet out there". One possibility is that technological civilizations are very short lived.
Why would evolutionary imperatives be different? (Score:2)
A biological imperative to promote progeny (Score:2)
Just because the human race seems to have evolved to become self-exterminating idiots doesn't mean other intelligent life in the Universe evolved the same way.
We are not talking self-exterminating, we are talking other-exterminating, exterminating the competition to protect/promote our progeny. This is something we see in many species on earth.
Chemistry seems the same in space. Why would biological imperatives not be the same? Because you saw a TV show written by idealists is not a good rebuttal.
Pacifism only works with non-pacifist friends (Score:2)
Just because the human race seems to have evolved to become self-exterminating idiots doesn't mean other intelligent life in the Universe evolved the same way.
It does not matter if not all intelligent life thinks that way. The point is the intelligent life that survives may be more likely to think that way. Those with this tendency will kill, or force into hiding, those who do not have the tendency.
Its basically like pacifism. Pacifism only works if the pacifists are fortunate enough to be protected by non-pacifist friends.
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The Three Body Problem series is a work of fiction based on a fictional premise.
In reality it's not possible for us to hide our existence because the "signal" produced by the Earth itself is much louder than anything our current technology can produce, intentionally or not. Observing extrasolar planets is a far easier thing to do than interstellar communication/travel, and this simple fact entirely breaks the plot of TTBP.
Our tech can now detect exoplanet atmospheres, and we can conceive of space-based tele
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Re: DNA?? (Score:1)
RTFOP
DNA much slower than the radio waves (Score:2)
Send human DNA into deep space, are you KIDDING?
DNA is not a problem. It is moving much slower than the radio waves. And the DNA is likely quite nicely confined to the solar system by gravity.
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So if you encounter any other civilization, the only smart option is to try your best to exterminate it before it exterminates you.
Well that's how bears, dolphins, and various other earth bound species act. Kill the children of others to increase the survivability of their offspring. So yeah, the prudent action is to go all momma-bear.
Not this year (Score:1)
I'm good (Score:2)
We'll Know Who to Blame! (Score:2)
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WTH? Shooting human remains out into space isn't the first step in colonizing another planet.
Someone found a cubic inch of space in a rocket and shoved some "celebrity" ashes in there, to satisfy their geek impulses, nothing more.
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Just to be clear, you think new life - in any form - can "spring forth" or be influenced/impacted by some incinerated DNA in the cremated remains of once-living organisms?
Is that really your position? I think we most certainly CAN rule it out.
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The process of cremation is quite destructive, what do you imagine "survives" cremation? BTW, we are talking ashes here, not miraculous 1/8th inch bone fragments that might contain DNA (or any organic material) that survives the 1,500-1,900 degree F cremation process.
the cremation process destroys all traces of organic, carbon-based matter and all bodily fluids evaporate and escape through the cremator’s exhaust. Since absolutely no organic material remains after cremation, human ashes do not present any sort of health hazard to the living or the environment.
https://www.cremationsolutions... [cremationsolutions.com]
Or maybe you're right, "Who knows?" And perhaps Jurassic Park isn't science fiction?
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Re: Who's to say this isn't how we(life on earth) (Score:1)
Did none of you on this thread actually read the OP? Besides launching ashes, they are also selling rides for donated DNA from people with too much money.
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WTH? Shooting human remains out into space isn't the first step in colonizing another planet.
Someone found a cubic inch of space in a rocket and shoved some "celebrity" ashes in there, to satisfy their geek impulses, nothing more.
No, no, no ... there is something more. A fee to help subsidize the cost of the rocket.
Re: Waste (Score:2)
Four? I count three... (Score:2)
The headline:
The Ashes of Four 'Star Trek' Actors Will Be Carried Into Deep Space
Doesn't match the text:
Nichols' cremated remains will be aboard the first Celestis Voyager Memorial Spaceflight, which will launch from Cape Canaveral, Florida. Celestis, Inc., is a private company that conducts memorial spaceflights. Among the remains also aboard the flight will be the ashes of "Star Trek" creator Gene Roddenberry; his wife, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, who played various roles in the show and films; and James Doohan, who played Montgomery "Scotty" Scott in the films and TV series....
Gene Roddenberry is not an actor and did not appear in Star Trek AFAIK.
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That role was voice only, but voice actors can be members of the Screen Actors Guild, so it seems reasonable to acknowledge this cameo role.
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May I please echo Jean-Luc Picard for a moment?
There.... are.... *four*.... actors....
We'll send his music to repel evil aliens (Score:2)
Playing music at 120dB has some amplifying effect in space, carrying the sound was futher than no man has gone before.
Evil aliens will think twice before swinging by earth when they hear this kind of space-time continuum disturbance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
WHAT? (Score:1)