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New 'Star Wars' Trilogy In the Works (deadline.com) 178

According to Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr, Lucasfilm is developing a new Star Wars trilogy. It will be written by Simon Kinberg, who will also produce the films alongside Lucasfilm chief Kathleen Kennedy. From the report: I heard this will comprise Episodes 10-12 of The Skywalker Saga that began with George Lucas's 1977 first film, which, along with Steven Spielberg's Jaws, reshaped the global blockbuster game. Insiders disputed my intel that Kinberg will continue that storyline, saying this instead will begin a new saga, and sit alongside percolating Star Wars projects with James Mangold, Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, Taika Waititi and Donald Glover. As usual, Lucasfilm and Disney are not commenting.

Kinberg previously worked with Lucasfilm in co-creating with Dave Filoni and Carrie Beck the Emmy-nominated animated series Star Wars Rebels that ran for four seasons from 2014-2018. He was also a consultant on Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens, the J.J. Abrams-directed film that revived the franchise in 2015. He has also been heavily involved in other franchises as writer and/or producer.

New 'Star Wars' Trilogy In the Works

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  • He's dead, Jim! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fleeped ( 1945926 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:10AM (#64929953)
    They just want to repeat the opening of Episode VII, but imo people are so fed up at this point, that I doubt it's going to work. "Fool me once". Also, unless they whip up AI to hit those nostalgia buttons with familiar characters from the time when the movies were good, ehh...
    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:29AM (#64930035) Homepage Journal

      Kathleen Kennedy want to nail the coffin totally to ensure it's dead, and also include a stake through the heart of Star Wars.

    • Re:He's dead, Jim! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:45AM (#64930049) Homepage Journal

      It would be okay if they were willing to take it in a new and interesting direction. Nicholas Meyer, who directed Wrath of Khan, once said "the fans donâ(TM)t know what they want⦠until they get it."

      Of all the recent Star Wars stuff, the only good ones have been ones that there was no clamour from fans for, which didn't pander to them. Rogue One and Andor are great examples. No legacy characters, no characters from the books, just original stories and original ideas, done really well. Stuff which tried to give fans what they seemed to want, like The Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Rise of Skywalker, those were mostly terrible, with only the odd decent moment. "Let's get Luke Skywalker back for a cameo that removes all agency from the protagonists and has no relation to anything else in the plot" doesn't make for good TV.

      Imagine the reaction to Spock's death today, with the internet and user reviews. Ask the fans what they want, and it's not Spock dying, no matter how well done or heroic it is. Meyer made the best Star Trek movie by setting out to make a good movie, not listening to the fans.

      • Re:He's dead, Jim! (Score:4, Insightful)

        by fleeped ( 1945926 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:53AM (#64930067)
        Agreed. Unfortunately it's hard to get Meyer's attitude these days when funding comes from people averse to risk and only willing to go for the lowest hanging fruit (fan service) at the expense of long term sustainability.
        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Rian Johnson did it with Last Jedi, and that actually set them up for a really interesting ending. It took the series beyond just the Space Nazis vs Space Resistance, beyond the Dark Side vs Light Side.

          But instead they listened to the fans and we got Rise of Skywalker, which was pretty terrible. It's got all the hallmarks of a movie ruined by giving the fans what they want. Legacy characters who don't have meaningful story arcs, fan service shoe-horned in, "lets bring back the thing the fans liked last time

          • by flink ( 18449 )

            Rian Johnson did it with Last Jedi, and that actually set them up for a really interesting ending. It took the series beyond just the Space Nazis vs Space Resistance, beyond the Dark Side vs Light Side.

            Beyond the big stupid plot holes that were in Last Jedi, I think it would have been much more interesting if Rei and Kylo had actually come to terms with each other and joined forces to form some new kind of force user that was neither Sith nor Jedi and stepped away from the whole light vs dark side conflict. Both the Republic/Rebellion and the Empire/1st Order come down to rule by privileged elites who know what's best for you. I would have been super interested to see an episode IX that explored a thir

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              That would have been the third movie, Rey and Kylo find a common cause and come to realize that neither of them was right.

              I don't think you can really complain about plot holes in a Star Wars movie though. It's not that sort of movie, and besides they all had them, including the original trilogy. I dare any to explain what Luke's plan was when he went to Jabba's palace.

              • by flink ( 18449 )

                I don't think you can really complain about plot holes in a Star Wars movie though. It's not that sort of movie, and besides they all had them, including the original trilogy. I dare any to explain what Luke's plan was when he went to Jabba's palace.

                I guess rather than plot holes, I should have said pointless plot lines. It just seemed like they had nothing to do with some of the characters and had them go on pointless circular missions that didn't accomplish anything. They could have cut like 30 minutes out of that movie and not lost anything in terms of character development or plot.

                I do think the lightspeed-suicide-jump is beyond the pale. It's the first thing you think of in any fiction that has FTL ships. There is no way nobody thought of it i

                • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                  The light speed thing makes as much sense as sound in space and The Force. You could come up with some explanation if you really wanted to - maybe it only worked against their Giga Star Destroyer due to its size or something. It's not important, like the fake science in Star Trek isn't. Who cares how the Heisenberg Compensators work?

                  • > Who cares how the Heisenberg Compensators work?

                    Actual fans.

                    "magical bullshit technology", aka your mushroom drives, sonic screwdrivers, and the like. remove any sense of grounded realism. It's SCIENCE fiction not PSEUDOSCIENCE FANTASY. If you can't watch a person beam up and know for certain that it's at least based in real, actual, known theoretical science, then the whole thing becomes unwatchable because you lose the ability to immerse yourself in the world building.
                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      Actual fans must hate Star Trek then, because the only explanation as to how the Heisenberg Compensators work given was "very well thank you."

                      Phasers and photon torpedoes are similarly vague. Subspace is completely made up, no basis in real physics at all.

                • by _xeno_ ( 155264 )

                  I do think the lightspeed-suicide-jump is beyond the pale.

                  The point in The Last Jedi that killed any ability for me to suspend disbelief was when they literally dropped bombs on a space ship.

                  I get that the combat in Star Wars is supposed to be based on World War II naval carrier combat. So that's why there are "bombers" that bomb the capital ships, why Luke was a fighter pilot, and why the ships have flak cannons instead of missiles.

                  But this went beyond that. Rather than having bombers be some sci-fi analog of bombers, which is how every other bit of Star Wars med

            • The whole point was the simple morality of good vs. evil! We don't need nuances of stuff.

              Because that leads to "fine people on both sides". Not in a show of space wizards for children!

      • Wrath of Khan was exactly what fans wanted especially after the first bizarre Star Trek movie where Kirk couldn't even use Kirkian Logic to kill the hostile computer as per tradition.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Really, you think the fans wanted to watch Kirk make a fatal mistake and Spock die? You think pitching a submarine warfare movie in space would have gone down well with the fanbase?

          Meyer didn't bother with the fan service that shows like Picard couldn't resist. It works as a stand-alone movie, even if you have never seen Trek before.

          Another great example of that is Star Trek Prodigy, especially season 2. There are legacy characters, but they are an important part of the plot and not just a cameo or shoe-hor

          • Re:He's dead, Jim! (Score:4, Insightful)

            by iAmWaySmarterThanYou ( 10095012 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @09:08AM (#64930347)

            You're going waaaay too deep.

            ST1: slow, boring, weird costumes, alien invader made minimal sense, traditional enemies got 90 seconds of screen time before being plastered. Kirk "wins" by 2 unknowns kissing and going to a higher plane. He was nothing but a glorified taxi service so the youngins could get laid. Yawn, bored confused audience.

            ST2: fast paced action, brought back famous actor to reprise great role to finish his story arc decades later, putting crew in terrible danger that was ultimately overcome by Kirk being super stud leader and finding critical flaw in his otherwise superior enemy then kicking his ass. Woot! Roll credits! Tell your friends! See it twice!

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              Have you seen the original Star Trek TV show? Most of it made very little sense if you stopped to think about it for a few seconds.

              The main issues with Star Trek The Motion Picture were that Kirk acts like an idiot and they gave fans what they wanted with Spock changing from an interesting half human half Vulcan to a robot with no personality or charm. Fans wanted to see him achieve his goal of mastering logic, and they got it.

              Meyer has stated in interviews that he deliberately had some irreverence for the

              • I watched them all repeatedly. Most recently I binged the entire series about 6 months ago. When is the last time you watched?

                Yes, I can imagine it because Kirk was always a womanizer, Spock was always an interesting half-human struggling with his emotions. And so on. The fans got the original series in movie form. Exactly what they wanted. With lots of pew pew pew action scenes not boring slow ass camera slides over the ship for 30 minutes before we had more than 5 lines of dialog or plot. No one I

                • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                  That's the point though. The fans didn't know what they wanted until Meyer gave it to them.

                • In TOS, Kirk is never a womanizer. He rarely ever knocks boots, and he routinely turns down women.

                  You're talking about the pop culture view of Kirk, not the actual TOS Kirk.

                  When's the last time *you* watched the full original series?

            • The only idea Kirk comes up with in the entire movie is to use the prefix code (what we'd call encryption keys these days) to root the Reliant and drop her shields.

              It's Spock that points out to Kirk that Khan has two-dimensional thinking.

      • by Syberz ( 1170343 )
        I'm with you. The Star Wars universe is big and super interesting, there's plenty of room for new stories unthethered to the original characters. For instance: Goonies in space (Skeleton Crew) looks like it could be really interesting, it gives a glimpse into Star Wars suburbia that we've never seen before. How about a horror or thriller movie set in that universe? Band of Brothers with clone troopers, some rando person climbing the ladder in the Hutt controled underworld, etc. There's room to innovate with
      • "Let's get Luke Skywalker back for a cameo that removes all agency from the protagonists and has no relation to anything else in the plot" doesn't make for good TV.

        I disagree. It was great to watch the first time because of the surprise but after that not so great for the reasons you outline so I'd argue it was great TV but not great storytelling. Overall I'd say that the Mandalorian series 1 was the best of the recent Star Wars tv shows. Rogue One was great - I'd say as close to the greatness of the original trilogy as anything subsequent - but it's a film and Andor was ok but the rest have varied between bad to utterly unwatchable. I've not even bothered to see Epi

      • by CAIMLAS ( 41445 )

        You have to ask -why- those projects were horrible. Who was involved?

        It's not the topic, it's the content and the execution.

        Kennedy has been intent from the start on injecting her personal ideology into the Star Wars universe legacy, and the result has been universally disasterous.

      • From my perspective The Mandalorian started pretty ok, but the third season just went bantha-poop.

        I'm not really concerned with characters from other creations in the franchise appearing momentarily, but they shall be used with care since fans expects things of them that don't work with the overall story.

        Having an overall story covering many or all episodes is usually good since it helps the writers of the episodes to create a continuity.

        I think that Babylon 5 was doing it really good - a long perspective w

      • by Tarlus ( 1000874 )

        Imagine the reaction to Spock's death today, with the internet and user reviews. Ask the fans what they want, and it's not Spock dying, no matter how well done or heroic it is. Meyer made the best Star Trek movie by setting out to make a good movie, not listening to the fans.

        And similar to Star Trek 2, the different directors of subsequent Star Wars movies made great efforts to completely undermine the thing that made the movie great to begin with.

    • I was thinking of the Simpsons reference: Stop it! He's already dead.

    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

      To be fair most Star Wars fans have been fooled twice. The prequels were terrible movies as well. I'd say episode one was the worst of the lot even.

      • To some extent I agree, but the most questionable decision was probably removing Darth Maul so early in the prequels since that character had a quite sinister appearence. Count Dooku was quite different and didn't give the same feeling. Dooku could still have been there, but given a more mysterious role where nobody knew who he really was. A double agent role would have been pretty interesting.

    • by shanen ( 462549 )

      I like the FP. But it seems no one took you up on your attempt to trigger a civil war between the Star Wars folks and the Trekkies. (Or Trekkers? I think that Geektastic said the label had changed at some point. (Rather amusing book except for one rather awful story...))

    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Rise of Skywalker made a billion dollars at the boxoffice on a $420 million budget. Merch is another billion a year. There's still lots of money to be made in Star Wars.

  • Will never be made. (Score:5, Informative)

    by derplord ( 7203610 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:12AM (#64929963)

    This is just a paper announcement. There's no chance this will be made after the catastrophic Disney+ releases.

    The recent outbursts of some of the old profilic actors (like Hamill) as well as the ones (think people from Acolyte) combined with Disney losing money left and right have pretty much killed the entire franchise. Old fans have said "No" and the 'new audience' doesn't care.

  • Yawn! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Fudoka ( 1831404 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:34AM (#64929997)
    "Oh no not again" - a bowl of petunias
  • by Kunedog ( 1033226 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @05:36AM (#64929999)
    Every single Star Wars box office result since The Last Jedi's first weekend (i.e. since it was actually seen by audiences) has ranged from disappointing to abysmal.

    The Force Awakens delivered three unprecedented blockbuster weekends (twice dropping less than 40%), then stayed in eight figures for another month:
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=starwars7.htm [boxofficemojo.com]

    Compare that to TLJ:
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=starwars8.htm/a> [boxofficemojo.com]

    TFA satisfaction (and plot hooks) had given them a reason to come back, the marketing machine was firing on all cylinders, and the critics were full of praise [slashdot.org]. The Last Jedi was poised to perform just as well as The Force Awakens and everything was going so smoothly . . . right up until audiences actually watched the thing. A considerable portion were unimpressed (or worse) and bad word of mouth led fans to flee the theaters in record numbers, causing an unprecedented dropoff in the next weekend. Projections were that TLJ would gross around $450M less than TFA, but instead it earned around $700M less (even with the benefit of that inflated opening). Solo's and Rise of Palpatine's box office takes suffered heavily from their first weekends onward.

    And the problems with The Last Jedi were the kind that damaged the brand as a whole (because they signal the intent of decision makers at the top): deliberately antagonizing the core fanbase, openly going out of its way to hold the OT in contempt, prioritizing a political agenda over the quality of the story and characters, and wasting the rare (and now lost) opportunity to reunite the OT cast to properly say goodbye.

    There's no reason for fans to think any of this has improved, even after five years of Disney being afraid to release another film.
    • Of course it was a "political agenda," just because the main characters where not mostly white. It had nothing to do with a confusing plot that had to be explained over in interviews and by commenters, together with nonsensical nods to the previous trilogy. Lack of creativity did not play a important role as well. Bring back the villain of the previous two trilogies! More giant spaceships! Why not?
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Unfortunately they don't have such a detailed breakdown with The Phantom Menace, but I expect the same was true of that movie. The first one of the new trilogy did well because it was new and it had been years since we got anything, and then the subsequent and definitely better ones didn't perform as well.

      TLJ could have been the revival that the series needed, if they hadn't bottled it and tried to pander to the fans with the subsequent movies and TV shows.

      As I said in another comment, the best post-TLJ stu

    • by RobinH ( 124750 )
      Yes, your analysis is spot on. This is precisely what happened.
    • And the problems with The Last Jedi were the kind that damaged the brand as a whole (because they signal the intent of decision makers at the top): deliberately antagonizing the core fanbase, openly going out of its way to hold the OT in contempt, prioritizing a political agenda over the quality of the story and characters, and wasting the rare (and now lost) opportunity to reunite the OT cast to properly say goodbye.

      This is a problem overall and has been experienced in other franchises as well *cough*Doctor Who*cough*. The producers, show runners, etc, have been far more concerned with trying to satisfy a small segment of fans and push some agenda or message, all the while forgetting that they have to actually tell a good story too. Sci-fi stuff always waxes political... doesn't matter what you support or despise. If the story is good, people will watch or read it and keep coming back, and it will likely attract new

  • There was some interesting stuff, like "Andor" in recent years, but by and large I don't really care that much.

  • by iAmWaySmarterThanYou ( 10095012 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:50AM (#64930059)

    The Mandalorian was a brief decent side story but the rest has been all shit.

    I've watched the rest of it on streams for free just to punish myself.

    I have 100% faith anything new will be just as unwatchable as the rest of the crap.

  • I watched the Mandalorian and enjoyed it. There is a potential for something good to come out of out. At any rate, there aren't that many hard new sci-fi movies being made.

  • Sadly (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RobinH ( 124750 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @06:57AM (#64930073) Homepage
    At this point there's enough information that's leaked out of Lucasfilm to realize that Kathleen Kennedy really dislikes the idea of a genre of movies that appealed to young boys, and has made it clear that "The Force is Female" and she wants to make it a girl brand. Good luck. Disney bought Marvel and Star Wars because they already had the girl brands wrapped up with the Disney Princess brand and they wanted some boy brands. With Star Wars they had a multi-billion dollar franchise that was a license to print money and then wanted to double the revenue by expanding the audience, and thought they could do it by bringing modern day identity politics into the franchise (see the Acolyte). Really? That's the worst plan I've ever heard, and I'm surprised they don't have a shareholder lawsuit on their hands.
    • Re:Sadly (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @08:25AM (#64930241)

      At this point there's enough information that's leaked out of Lucasfilm to realize that Kathleen Kennedy really dislikes the idea of a genre of movies that appealed to young boys, and has made it clear that "The Force is Female" and she wants to make it a girl brand.

      And in the process, they found that there are actually plenty of women who liked the original branding, and hate the new branding.

      And way overplayed their hand in assuming that a new stunning, brave, and empowered women would flock to the new movies and series. This after purposely abandoning the fan base. "That's a bold strategy Cotton - let's see if it pays off."

      I mean - who exactly was "The Acolyte" aimed at? And why in Disney's based understanding of their audience, why didn't their new fans come out and make the series a hit? I mean - Disney has determined is the profitable path. I mean, who doesn't want to see really dreary and small feeling movies about lesbian space witches fighting against the real forces of evil - the Jedi?

      So in a cash cow universe that was aimed at kids, with well defined good and evil - They managed to wreck it.

      If we wish to put a finer point on it - if "The Acolyte" was the first of the Star Wars" universe, it would be the start and end of it.

      Disney makes a lot of programming that are aimed at girls. They also used to make a lot of IP that wasn't aimed at specific genitalia wielders.

      But they really fail at making content for the so called "modern audience" - which is just a meme thinking that modern people want to see misandrist dogma coupled with storytelling that doesn't even rise to fanfic level.

      That audience really needs to get to their movies and series - assuming enough of those folk exist.

    • Are men becoming so fragile that all it takes is a tiny bit of female empowerment to alienate them?

      Some recent Star Wars media have struggled, other have been great. It's nothing to do with female empowerment or "identity politics", it's simply that some scripts are concepts are great, others, not so much.

      • by RobinH ( 124750 )
        It's not female empowerment. We all loved Alien and Aliens and Sarah Connor and Tomb Raider. It's that nobody (not even the majority of women) want stupid stories about pronouns.
  • The kids will be livid.

  • Disney won't stop abusing this IP......

  • by supremebob ( 574732 ) <themejunky AT geocities DOT com> on Friday November 08, 2024 @09:28AM (#64930411) Journal

    It's amusing that in just a few short years I went from being excited to being the first person in my area to see a new Star Wars movie or show to waiting for the viewer reviews to show up to see if it is any good.

    At this point, I don't feel like I can even trust the reviews from the "professional" reviewers anymore, because they're afraid of getting blacklisted by Disney for giving a bad show or movie the bad review it deserves.

  • Just make the books cannon again, please. The expanded universe was so well laid out and integrated. The Yukazan Vong (I know I didn't spell that right) storyline would make an unbelievable movie trilogy... even if they needed to spend the first movie catching up to the 'Han and Leia have 20 year old kids' timeframe.

    Luke was a badass Jedi master married to former emperor top agent Mara Jade. Han had a troubled son wracked with guilt over losing ********. Their daughter was an awesome pilot - all had the

  • When does it STOP??????

    FFS, isn't this beaten to death already? And is it going to be done in the dreadfully dark, slow paced, angsty style that they have inflicted on Dune? If so, then just FO, please.

    Stop trying to squeeze yet another penny out of this tired and tattered franchise and hire some competent writers for SOMETHING NEW.

  • News for Nerds. Stuff that matters.

    Ahhhhhhhhh!

    This used to be its subtitle. I wonder if there are people born after they removed it, who are now old enough to read here.

  • Boeing, Intel, and now Hollywood have lost their way. They’ve forgotten how to create high quality products. Maybe they’re signs that we are an empire in decline,
  • obligatory (Score:4, Insightful)

    by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Friday November 08, 2024 @12:08PM (#64930875) Homepage Journal

    "God Willing, We'll All Meet Again In Spaceballs 2: The Search For More Money."

  • Dirt-poor young man/woman/alien lives on a planet made entirely of rocks and garbage. Wants to go to space and fight the Empire. Will need to destroy a giant...something. Not exactly a moon, not exactly a space station. Death something. Fortunately, it will have a small red "Do not press" button somewhere on its surface.

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