New 'Star Wars' Trilogy In the Works (deadline.com) 95
According to Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr, Lucasfilm is developing a new Star Wars trilogy. It will be written by Simon Kinberg, who will also produce the films alongside Lucasfilm chief Kathleen Kennedy. From the report: I heard this will comprise Episodes 10-12 of The Skywalker Saga that began with George Lucas's 1977 first film, which, along with Steven Spielberg's Jaws, reshaped the global blockbuster game. Insiders disputed my intel that Kinberg will continue that storyline, saying this instead will begin a new saga, and sit alongside percolating Star Wars projects with James Mangold, Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, Taika Waititi and Donald Glover. As usual, Lucasfilm and Disney are not commenting.
Kinberg previously worked with Lucasfilm in co-creating with Dave Filoni and Carrie Beck the Emmy-nominated animated series Star Wars Rebels that ran for four seasons from 2014-2018. He was also a consultant on Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens, the J.J. Abrams-directed film that revived the franchise in 2015. He has also been heavily involved in other franchises as writer and/or producer.
Kinberg previously worked with Lucasfilm in co-creating with Dave Filoni and Carrie Beck the Emmy-nominated animated series Star Wars Rebels that ran for four seasons from 2014-2018. He was also a consultant on Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens, the J.J. Abrams-directed film that revived the franchise in 2015. He has also been heavily involved in other franchises as writer and/or producer.
He's dead, Jim! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Kathleen Kennedy want to nail the coffin totally to ensure it's dead, and also include a stake through the heart of Star Wars.
Re:He's dead, Jim! (Score:5, Insightful)
It would be okay if they were willing to take it in a new and interesting direction. Nicholas Meyer, who directed Wrath of Khan, once said "the fans donâ(TM)t know what they want⦠until they get it."
Of all the recent Star Wars stuff, the only good ones have been ones that there was no clamour from fans for, which didn't pander to them. Rogue One and Andor are great examples. No legacy characters, no characters from the books, just original stories and original ideas, done really well. Stuff which tried to give fans what they seemed to want, like The Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Rise of Skywalker, those were mostly terrible, with only the odd decent moment. "Let's get Luke Skywalker back for a cameo that removes all agency from the protagonists and has no relation to anything else in the plot" doesn't make for good TV.
Imagine the reaction to Spock's death today, with the internet and user reviews. Ask the fans what they want, and it's not Spock dying, no matter how well done or heroic it is. Meyer made the best Star Trek movie by setting out to make a good movie, not listening to the fans.
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Rian Johnson did it with Last Jedi, and that actually set them up for a really interesting ending. It took the series beyond just the Space Nazis vs Space Resistance, beyond the Dark Side vs Light Side.
But instead they listened to the fans and we got Rise of Skywalker, which was pretty terrible. It's got all the hallmarks of a movie ruined by giving the fans what they want. Legacy characters who don't have meaningful story arcs, fan service shoe-horned in, "lets bring back the thing the fans liked last time
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I think audiences moved past that kind of simplistic stuff long ago. It worked for the original Star Was (A New Hope), but that was carried by special effects that were stunning for the time. The sequels had to do more.
Even back in the 60s people wanted more from shows like Star Trek. The best episodes, even as rated at the time, were the ones that had a message, that were complex, like City on the Edge of Forever and Balance of Terror.
Andor is another great example. By far the best of the TV shows, with a
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Rian Johnson did it with Last Jedi, and that actually set them up for a really interesting ending. It took the series beyond just the Space Nazis vs Space Resistance, beyond the Dark Side vs Light Side.
Beyond the big stupid plot holes that were in Last Jedi, I think it would have been much more interesting if Rei and Kylo had actually come to terms with each other and joined forces to form some new kind of force user that was neither Sith nor Jedi and stepped away from the whole light vs dark side conflict. Both the Republic/Rebellion and the Empire/1st Order come down to rule by privileged elites who know what's best for you. I would have been super interested to see an episode IX that explored a thir
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That would have been the third movie, Rey and Kylo find a common cause and come to realize that neither of them was right.
I don't think you can really complain about plot holes in a Star Wars movie though. It's not that sort of movie, and besides they all had them, including the original trilogy. I dare any to explain what Luke's plan was when he went to Jabba's palace.
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I don't think you can really complain about plot holes in a Star Wars movie though. It's not that sort of movie, and besides they all had them, including the original trilogy. I dare any to explain what Luke's plan was when he went to Jabba's palace.
I guess rather than plot holes, I should have said pointless plot lines. It just seemed like they had nothing to do with some of the characters and had them go on pointless circular missions that didn't accomplish anything. They could have cut like 30 minutes out of that movie and not lost anything in terms of character development or plot.
I do think the lightspeed-suicide-jump is beyond the pale. It's the first thing you think of in any fiction that has FTL ships. There is no way nobody thought of it i
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The whole point was the simple morality of good vs. evil! We don't need nuances of stuff.
Because that leads to "fine people on both sides". Not in a show of space wizards for children!
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Wrath of Khan was exactly what fans wanted especially after the first bizarre Star Trek movie where Kirk couldn't even use Kirkian Logic to kill the hostile computer as per tradition.
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Really, you think the fans wanted to watch Kirk make a fatal mistake and Spock die? You think pitching a submarine warfare movie in space would have gone down well with the fanbase?
Meyer didn't bother with the fan service that shows like Picard couldn't resist. It works as a stand-alone movie, even if you have never seen Trek before.
Another great example of that is Star Trek Prodigy, especially season 2. There are legacy characters, but they are an important part of the plot and not just a cameo or shoe-hor
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I had your reaction, but realized he was talking about a pitch for it today, rather than fan after-reaction to the movie itself.
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You're going waaaay too deep.
ST1: slow, boring, weird costumes, alien invader made minimal sense, traditional enemies got 90 seconds of screen time before being plastered. Kirk "wins" by 2 unknowns kissing and going to a higher plane. He was nothing but a glorified taxi service so the youngins could get laid. Yawn, bored confused audience.
ST2: fast paced action, brought back famous actor to reprise great role to finish his story arc decades later, putting crew in terrible danger that was ultimately overc
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Have you seen the original Star Trek TV show? Most of it made very little sense if you stopped to think about it for a few seconds.
The main issues with Star Trek The Motion Picture were that Kirk acts like an idiot and they gave fans what they wanted with Spock changing from an interesting half human half Vulcan to a robot with no personality or charm. Fans wanted to see him achieve his goal of mastering logic, and they got it.
Meyer has stated in interviews that he deliberately had some irreverence for the
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I watched them all repeatedly. Most recently I binged the entire series about 6 months ago. When is the last time you watched?
Yes, I can imagine it because Kirk was always a womanizer, Spock was always an interesting half-human struggling with his emotions. And so on. The fans got the original series in movie form. Exactly what they wanted. With lots of pew pew pew action scenes not boring slow ass camera slides over the ship for 30 minutes before we had more than 5 lines of dialog or plot. No one I
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That's the point though. The fans didn't know what they wanted until Meyer gave it to them.
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I was thinking of the Simpsons reference: Stop it! He's already dead.
Obligatory Simpsons quote (Score:3)
Enough said [youtube.com].
Characters (Score:1, Funny)
Ok, we all know the new emperor will be named Trump.
But who will be Vador ?
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But who will be Vador ?
Who would play the role of the young protege who one fought against the Emperor but now serves as his loyal underling and errand boy? Hm, that's a stumper.
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I'm afraid to eve adVance a proposal...
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Ok, we all know the new emperor will be named Trump.
But who will be Vador ?
It's right there in TFS!
They recycled the shark from Jaws to play Darth Vader in the new series!
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Similar reasons may be the reason that a new trilogy fails.
The original franchise, for all its foibles, was inventive. LucasFilms used amazing tech for its day. These days, the tools are different and it's not so much easier but every franchise of "blockbusters" tries to out-do the others, and all this had lead to plainly unbelievable CGI and progressive blockbusters are almost impossible. Character development has become wooden, AI-aided animation implausible, and story lines that seem Pyrrhic try to rule the box office. It leaves me cold; there are maybe a quarter of the movie theaters left. The big screen is gone, now in your living room.
The magic is gone.
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I saw a youtube video showing the most iconic scenes in A New Hope are actually copies of scenes in older movies. I can't find the link (perhaps someone else can), but I did find this article which sums it up.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/1... [faroutmagazine.co.uk]
Take a look at the side-by-side between star wars trench run and Dam Busters. Now imagine a 15 minute youtube video giving the same treatment to most other scenes you remember from A New Hope. By the time I was done, I realized that the movie critics that panned A New H
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The future is female, trans, disabled, Black-Arab lesbians!
Down with the cis gender white male patriarchy and their rape culture!
That is no longer modern. Within two years, all of that will be gone.
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When the pendulum swings, it swings hard n fast. I don't think Disney will catch up.
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Elon musk!
Will never be made. (Score:4, Informative)
This is just a paper announcement. There's no chance this will be made after the catastrophic Disney+ releases.
The recent outbursts of some of the old profilic actors (like Hamill) as well as the ones (think people from Acolyte) combined with Disney losing money left and right have pretty much killed the entire franchise. Old fans have said "No" and the 'new audience' doesn't care.
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New audience cares very much. Not about watching it mind you. They care about it being made and shoved down the throats of the evil oppressor class to "spread the message".
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Dont you have a mop to be pushing?
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What does that even mean?
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The implication being offered here is that your conspiratorial comment was stupid nonsense and that you must therefore be a janitor.
Kind of unnecessarily rude to the janitorial profession if you ask me.
Boring (Score:1)
Zombified Franchise (Score:1)
Yawn! (Score:4, Funny)
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Star Wars Films = Doomed Since TLJ (Score:4, Insightful)
The Force Awakens delivered three unprecedented blockbuster weekends (twice dropping less than 40%), then stayed in eight figures for another month:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=starwars7.htm [boxofficemojo.com]
Compare that to TLJ:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=starwars8.htm/a> [boxofficemojo.com]
TFA satisfaction (and plot hooks) had given them a reason to come back, the marketing machine was firing on all cylinders, and the critics were full of praise [slashdot.org]. The Last Jedi was poised to perform just as well as The Force Awakens and everything was going so smoothly . . . right up until audiences actually watched the thing. A considerable portion were unimpressed (or worse) and bad word of mouth led fans to flee the theaters in record numbers, causing an unprecedented dropoff in the next weekend. Projections were that TLJ would gross around $450M less than TFA, but instead it earned around $700M less (even with the benefit of that inflated opening). Solo's and Rise of Palpatine's box office takes suffered heavily from their first weekends onward.
And the problems with The Last Jedi were the kind that damaged the brand as a whole (because they signal the intent of decision makers at the top): deliberately antagonizing the core fanbase, openly going out of its way to hold the OT in contempt, prioritizing a political agenda over the quality of the story and characters, and wasting the rare (and now lost) opportunity to reunite the OT cast to properly say goodbye.
There's no reason for fans to think any of this has improved, even after five years of Disney being afraid to release another film.
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Unfortunately they don't have such a detailed breakdown with The Phantom Menace, but I expect the same was true of that movie. The first one of the new trilogy did well because it was new and it had been years since we got anything, and then the subsequent and definitely better ones didn't perform as well.
TLJ could have been the revival that the series needed, if they hadn't bottled it and tried to pander to the fans with the subsequent movies and TV shows.
As I said in another comment, the best post-TLJ stu
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Star Wars (Score:1)
True story:
My daughter (16) lives in Spain and she phoned me the other day and wanted me to get her all the Star Wars movies. She's on a mission to watch all the "classic" / "famous" series so she understands the references to them (prompted by her grandfather, no doubt).
I did so but before I sent them over, I thought I better check they worked and decided - for the first time ever in my life - to watch them. The old and new trilogy of them. My brother had some of the original action figures when I was a
Re:Star Wars (Score:5, Insightful)
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I rewatched Krull as an adult. It was just as good, which is to say textbook amusing light entertainment but the first time wasn't like watching 1977 Star Wars in the theatre., either.
Hawk the Slayer, FTW! though.
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Your daughter had no choice but you were never the target audience or you would've watched growing up. You wouldn't have liked it any better then. It's ok, not everyone has to like everything.
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Oh, it's slashdot, shit happens.
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I rewatched Star Wars (original trilogy) recently with my daughter, she enjoyed it.
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I saw Krull in the theater. I remember a super gorgeous redhead, a really cool weapon, and a joke about it on Family Guy.
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Agree that most of the movies are actual junk.
That being said, the original Star Wars (1977) is still quite good. It's especially good if you can see the theatrical release, before LucasFilms came out with the special editions.
Look for Project 4k77. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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I like the original too. I really like how rough it is cinematically, not like the eternally polished turds that Hollywood poops out these days. And it's fun. Most people don't know that theaters were forced to show it to get some other movie that was expected to be big, but quickly forgotten. Its success was completely unexpected.
The other two (ep5 ep6) are okay, but I completely passed when Episode 1 came out. I still haven't watched it, and don't care. I never even saw memes from it other than "now this
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In spite of the mockery of young Annakin, the pod race was really well done, and of course John Williams introduced some new stuff as good as he ever wrote.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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The sound track was definitely the best thing to come out of the prequel trilogy.
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Well, it's action movies. What do you expect?
The original films had some funny moments, great sci-fi theme, were relatively exciting. Some interesting plot development. That's much more than most action movies. I watched the recent series with the Mandalorian. It had some of the same, in my humble opinion. I don't think you watch action movies to see great acting.
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The CGI versions were worse, not better. The CGI scenes looked super weird mixed in with 1977 non-CGI hand made effects and some inserted scenes changed plot or just made no sense. Han talking to Jabba the Hut in an alley behind the bar or whatever the fuck was going on was particularly horrible.
You let an entire cultural phenomena pass you by while you grew up in it. You were never the target audience. So of course you didn't like them today. You wouldn't have liked it in 1977 in the theatre, either.
I
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After 20 minutes of ranting how bad it looked
Leaving aside the quality of the story your daughter is a spoiled brat who can't enjoy old things period. Star Wars both the original and episode one is held up as examples of some of the most amazing VFX of its time.
It was "episode one", because that was obviously what she thought she ought to watch first. I laughed. If you think that's bad, kid, you need to watch the ORIGINAL trilogy.
Errr WTF? If you think Episode I is better than IV V or VI then sorry you have lost all respect from cinephiles. Episode I is held up as an example of how George Lucas fucks things up when his wife doesn't review the script.
I honestly do not know what it is your family thinks qualifies as cinem
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Episode One came out the same year as The Matrix.
The original's VFK consist of something approaching a glowstick.
Though it may be "groundbreaking" at the time, it's poor VFX and again - you have to have seen it in its time to appreciate anything of it.
"I honestly do not know what it is your family thinks qualifies as cinema"
Plot, narrative, consistency, characterisation, scripting, acting, portrayal, suspension of disbelief.
The original Vader is quite honestly the least intimidating villain I've ever seen i
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Hamill made a conscious decision to switch to primarily doing voice acting because it was better for his family life. He's voiced numerous cartoon characters (e.g. The Hobgoblin, Gargoyle, Maximum and Klaw for Marvel, and Solomon Grundy, Trickster and Tony Zucco for DC, Fire Lord Ozai in Avatar, and Skips in the Regular Show). You may have played a video game featuring his voice (e.g. the pro
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How do you not mention the voice role he's best known for: Joker in Batman the Animated Series?
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And I'd got her the "revamped" versions of them all, with new CGI on the old trilogy, so even the old ones were even worse than that originally!
Up until this moment, George Lucas was the only one who thought the revamped movies were an improvement. But now there's two of you :)
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The old movies were, in a lot of ways, a tribute to the crap sci-fi television of the fifties and early sixties. The stilted dialog and horrible acting included. Granted, if you were four years old in 1977 like I was, they were the most amazing thing you had ever seen. George "toy boy" Lucas was onto something. He hit the pulse of little boys when he was well past the age of being a little boy. That's the secret to his success. We forced our parents to take us to every episode and buy us the toys because th
Saga (Score:1)
"The Skywalker Saga that began with George Lucas's 1977 first film"
The saga started with The Phantom Menace chronologically.
And Lucas's first film was THX1138
He should of quit after ROTJ
Disney's Bob Eiger want his DEI Agenda. FLOP!!! (Score:1, Insightful)
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Aren't you supposed to be out there lusting after Arnold Palmers "Golf Equipment" or shouting "Russia First" to the proles?
Don't really care. (Score:2)
There was some interesting stuff, like "Andor" in recent years, but by and large I don't really care that much.
Star Wars died with JarJar (Score:2)
The Mandalorian was a brief decent side story but the rest has been all shit.
I've watched the rest of it on streams for free just to punish myself.
I have 100% faith anything new will be just as unwatchable as the rest of the crap.
Well, let's see what comes of it, shall we? (Score:2)
I watched the Mandalorian and enjoyed it. There is a potential for something good to come out of out. At any rate, there aren't that many hard new sci-fi movies being made.
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At this point there's enough information that's leaked out of Lucasfilm to realize that Kathleen Kennedy really dislikes the idea of a genre of movies that appealed to young boys, and has made it clear that "The Force is Female" and she wants to make it a girl brand.
And in the process, they found that there are actually plenty of women who liked the original branding, and hate the new branding.
And way overplayed their hand in assuming that a new stunning, brave, and empowered women would flock to the new movies and series. This after purposely abandoning the fan base. "That's a bold strategy Cotton - let's see if it pays off."
I mean - who exactly was "The Acolyte" aimed at? And why in Disney's based understanding of their audience, why didn't their new fans come
Star Wars -3, -2 and -1? (Score:2)
The kids will be livid.
Call "Child Protective Services"... (Score:2)
Disney won't stop abusing this IP......
Gay (Score:2)
Put a chick in it and make it gay!
The slow demise of Star Wars (Score:2)
It's amusing that in just a few short years I went from being excited to being the first person in my area to see a new Star Wars movie or show to waiting for the viewer reviews to show up to see if it is any good.
At this point, I don't feel like I can even trust the reviews from the "professional" reviewers anymore, because they're afraid of getting blacklisted by Disney for giving a bad show or movie the bad review it deserves.
ReCannonize the Books (Score:2)
Just make the books cannon again, please. The expanded universe was so well laid out and integrated. The Yukazan Vong (I know I didn't spell that right) storyline would make an unbelievable movie trilogy... even if they needed to spend the first movie catching up to the 'Han and Leia have 20 year old kids' timeframe.
Luke was a badass Jedi master married to former emperor top agent Mara Jade. Han had a troubled son wracked with guilt over losing ********. Their daughter was an awesome pilot - all had the
At what point? (Score:2)
When does it STOP??????
FFS, isn't this beaten to death already? And is it going to be done in the dreadfully dark, slow paced, angsty style that they have inflicted on Dune? If so, then just FO, please.
Stop trying to squeeze yet another penny out of this tired and tattered franchise and hire some competent writers for SOMETHING NEW.
News (Score:2)
News for Nerds. Stuff that matters.
Ahhhhhhhhh!
This used to be its subtitle. I wonder if there are people born after they removed it, who are now old enough to read here.
They’ve lost their way (Score:1)