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Interviews: David Saltzberg Answers Your Questions About The Big Bang Theory 106

As the science consultant for The Big Bang Theory for the past seven seasons, Dr. David Saltzberg makes sure the show gets its science right. A few weeks ago, you had the chance to ask him about his work on the show and his personal scientific endeavors. Below you'll find his answers to those questions.
Your Own Life Experience
by Anonymous Coward

Were you ridiculed at all in your youth for being interested in science? Do you feel the show promotes acceptance towards those of us who enjoy the various sciences? Or does it perpetuate the stereotype that if someone is interested in science then they must be socially inept and interactively dysfunctional?

Saltzberg: When I meet a random stranger and say I am a physicist, I used to get a blank stare. Now, I generally get a warm smile and asked “Just like on the Big Bang Theory”? So my experience tells me that many people genuinely like and care for these characters. One of the writers says he can tell the audience is even protective of them.

I did get picked on a little bit when I was younger, more around the age of junior high school. I don’t know if it was because of my interest in science or the of other things you mentioned, or one of many other things, or maybe no reason at all. If you or anyone reading this is being picked on, I understand that it feels terrible.

So if you or anyone else reading this are in school and having trouble like this, find a teacher, counselor or someone in the school to talk to. You don’t have to ask this person to step in and solve your problems, but having someone with more experience at life to talk to can help you make things better. And if anything ever gets worse (or better), you will have someone to go to who has been following and understands the context and what is going on. Teachers and other advisors who work in schools are there in part to help you navigate exactly this kind of trouble, and nearly every one will want to help guide you through it.

Back when the show started, I didn’t know how the portrayal of scientists would go. Then as the episodes started coming out, I saw the writers and actors treating the characters with respect and making them each specific individuals. The show soon received positive reviews from scientists who care about this kind of thing, such as from the head of the American Physical Society’s Office of Public Outreach, Rebecca Thompson-Flagg. I took comfort in the fact that she is an expert on what is good for our field and she loves the show so much she came to see a taping twice and spent time with the writers and crew. Since then, the support we have had from scientific icons-- Stephen Hawking, Woz, Astronaut Mike Massimino, Neil de Grasse Tyson— has been a joy.

As for being “socially inept and interactively dysfunctional”, I am not a writer so can’t speak with authority, but as viewer and fan I see these characters have a great group of loyal friends, a wide circle of other interesting people they interact with, and have terrific romances going on. They have meaningful jobs and lots of fun outside of work too. We should all have such troubles!



Advancing science
by korbulon

By exposing a mass audience to scientific principles and archetypes, do you think a show like Big Bang Theory somehow advances the cause of science, or is it basically irrelevant?

Saltzberg: There is no way I can think of to measure this effect. But I hope the show conveys first of all the joy of doing science and leading the great life with science in it. I do believe the love of science by the characters comes through clearly. Maybe there are young people out there who read science in their textbooks but don’t realize that one can have a career and life filled with science. And it shows the life of science is also often one of adventure. Many of us are able to travel around the world and to interesting places and with interesting people to work on interesting problems.

As for specific science topics, the show at least gets the word out there. The show obviously isn’t Nova-style documentary. Rather, when the audience hears the words “dark matter” they can tell the characters think it is important. If even a small fraction of viewers web-search the term, that represents a very large number of people learning about perhaps the most interesting scientific question of our time. As a way of follow-up, I try to write a blog post (although I was remiss lately) to teach a little more deeply about the science in each episode.

I hope the show inspires those who are already scientifically minded or considering it. I also heard from the director of the Society of Physics Students, Dr. Gary White, who told me he thought students were “standing a little taller” with seeing physicists represented on television. So I hope beyond advancing of science, it also gives aspiring physics and other science students one more reason to feel a sense of pride in becoming scientists or engineers. Bill Prady the co-creator of the show gave a commencement address to our graduating physics and astronomy students at UCLA a few years ago. He reminded us how great it is to be a scientist and I believe that message comes through in the show.



Popularity
by korbulon

Why do you think a show like BBT has been such a huge hit with a wide audience given its geeky characters and plot devices?

Saltzberg: If I knew what made a hit TV show, I would be very wealthy.

I am not a writer or a professional critic but I think it would be a mistake to think the stories are narrowly pitched to a so-called geeky audience. I think the problems these characters face week-to-week with their friends, lovers, jobs and generally how to interact with the world touch on something universal. You didn’t have to be a New Yorker to like Seinfeld.

But maybe one key part is the excellence in every corner of the production. A viewer can see the excellence in writing and acting most clearly. But from being at the production, I see the excellence in all the departments from sets, to sound, to props, to lighting, to wardrobe, to production and many others. I see dedicated people with often decades of experience who love the show themselves and work so hard. It is inspiring to see the show come together each week from so many people at the top of their craft with such pride and I believe it shows in the finished product.



Are you a "geek"?
by krygny

... meaning, do you also provide input on some of the pop-culture in the show (e.g., Star Trek, Star Wars, comic books, Dr Who, etc.)?

Saltzberg: Sad to say, I am not. I am so out of it that for a long time when I would hear students talking about “Battlestar Galactica” a few years ago, I wondered why everyone started watching an old TV show from the 1970’s. I wish I were more of a pop-culture, SciFi and comic geek -- in part because BBT characters make it seem like so much fun. I have at least gone back to learn about some of these things as they have been mentioned—much as I hope others are doing with the science that is mentioned. The writers are such fans of this stuff there is nothing I could possibly ever tell them. Even some of the comic books you see in Sheldon’s bedroom actually belong to the writers.



What would they NOT let you do?
by Higaran

Was there anything that you tried to put in the show they they told you wouldn't be put in because it was to complex, or for some other reason. I know there is a lot of stuff that made it in, but what didn't get in there that you tried for?

Saltzberg: There was one thing we removed from the dialogue and I totally agreed with it. In one scene, the characters made their voices artificially deep by breathing in sulfur hexafluoride. However we read up about it and there is a real chance that someone could suffocate when trying this because that gas is heavier than air and can settle in your lungs. The odds may be low, but you have to remember that there are millions of people watching and we didn’t want anyone to hurt themselves so we removed the name of the compound. Slashdotters probably already knew the name of the chemical so there is no harm in revealing it here.

When the writers ask me questions, I generally try to give them about three or four options since they know best what fits into the rhythm of the dialogue and the story. Often they ask a follow-up question to land on the final answer. I never “try” to get any one individual thing on the show since the writers always know better than I do about how to put a story together. I just want to give them as many good options as I can think of and sit back and watch.



Guest stars
by MiniMike

There has been a very impressive list of tech or geek related guest star appearances on the show (Stan Lee, Stephen Hawking, Neil deGrasse Tyson, ...). Do you have any control over who guest appearances are written for? Are there any tech related people who you would like to have on the show as a guest star, but have been unable to get?

Saltzberg: I have no input into the guest stars nor do I even make suggestions. (So I am not the person to volunteer to.)



No one knows everything, so...
by MiniMike

The show touches on a somewhat wide range of technology and culture. There must be science related questions that are outside your area of expertise. Who do you contact for advice when you need it?

Saltzberg: Absolutely. I don’t even know all of physics, let alone science outside my area. For some of it, I can do my own research but in general I do want to get the writers more information than they could have found by themselves on the internet. So I often consult experts. For the current season, for example, the writers mention the work of some famous psychologists. So I called them at their university and asked if the line of dialogue was exactly correct and we made a one-word tweak as a result. (We also found out the exact pronunciation of their names that way.)

With the addition of Amy Farrah Fowler, suddenly I had a lot of neuroscience on my plate. And I stopped learning biology in ninth grade. I never cared for touching living samples. I have friends though who conduct neuroscience experiments such as Dr. Ricardo Gil da Costa at the Salk Institute and Prof. Mayank Mehta in my own department at UCLA that I go to. And most importantly, Dr. Fowler is played by Dr. Mayim Bialik, who herself has a Ph.D. in neuroscience. So she would never let us slip up. Most recently she helped catch the difference between a 1.2 mole and 1.2 molar solution. So Dr. Bialik has my back.

For me all this research has been helpful in my scientific life. In my main job as a professor I should have broad knowledge about physics beyond my immediate research. But without a specific reason to go read, it sometimes hard to find time to keep up. However, questions from the writers keep me on my toes and I try to keep abreast of new developments now in case I think the writers would be interested. From time to time, during my scientific life, I find myself the expert in a room on a topic, all because I had researched it for Big Bang Theory. (I don’t let on to the reason, of course.)



non-science questions
by globaljustin

Mr. Saltzberg, thanks for taking questions! It's much appreciated.

My question: Do the writers (or actors) ever ask you about your daily life or your experiences as a scientist? What non-scientific/factual input have they asked from you?


Saltzberg: Early on, some of the actors came to UCLA and met mostly with graduate students work in the lab, and saw what they were working on. We even all had lunch. But the actors do their own research essentially entirely on their own. I am amazed at how much they own the dialogue. We are not just talking about pronunciation, but the whole rhythm of the line.

The writers have also visited UCLA a few times and may even have been inspired to a few ideas. But generally what they come up with is a so many steps away from the initial input, that if I weren’t told by them what inspired them, I would never have known. For many tapings, I bring a scientist to them. Some weeks it is a physics undergrad or graduate student, and other weeks it has been Nobel Laureates. The writers talk to all of them.



Dramatic plot vs. Scientifically accurate
by Opportunist

What was the hardest bit of scientific inaccuracy to fight, because the writers deemed it necessary to keep it "wrong"?

Saltzberg: In all these years, the writers have NEVER put in something I told them was wrong scientifically. They would never do that. So any mistakes that have made it through (and sad to say I can think of a couple little ones) I have to accept blame for. For the most part, when people on the internet complain something is wrong, they actually have either made a mistake themselves or didn’t realize what we are thinking.

The only deviation from scientific reality is how their jobs are organized within the university and who controls their promotions and job assignments and complaints. But that’s outside the domain of science itself and I am fine with that.

The fact that this show is scientifically accurate doesn’t mean we need all shows to be. When I was younger, I had fun with my friends finding the scientific inaccuracies in television and movies. And besides, we would never have had “Back to the Future” if we insisted on everything being grounded firmly in science fact.



Are the actors interested in physics?
by Anonymous Coward

Do any of the actors have an interest in learning about physics? Or do they just read their lines and that's it?

Saltzberg: You would really have to ask them, but I think they are interested in understanding the science at least enough well to understand what the character is thinking and doing. The actors and the writers express a great deal of respect for science and I have talked to them over the years and can tell how much they value scientific literacy and a society that promotes science. A few little things:The actor who plays Leonard (Johnny Galecki) even came up with the name for my blog about the science behind the show, “The Big Blog Theory”. The actor who plays Sheldon (Jim Parsons) even caught a mistake in the script, “electrical dipoles” instead of “electric dipoles”. I told him he seems to know more physics than he is letting on.
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  • Too Bad (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Since then, the support we have had from scientific ions-- Stephen Hawking, Woz, Astronaut Mike Massimino, Neil de Grasse Tyson— has been a joy.

    Too bad the show doesn't portray any intelligent person as normal as those you receive "support" from.

    Scientific people can be normal people. You can be scientific and play sports. You can be scientific and be popular. These false dichotomies have found their way into culture -- too bad TBBT persists it.

    • I agree,
      but I think overall as the characters mature in the show, they become less awkward over time.
      With the exception of Sheldon, where I kinda wish they would just come out and state that the character is autistic at some level. Instead of just making him a super scientist who needs to make all these trade-offs in his personal life to be there.
      While I do not fall on the recorded Autism spectrum. The way they make Sheldon would be very insulting to people with these problems.

      • Re:Too Bad (Score:5, Interesting)

        by morethanapapercert ( 749527 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @01:42PM (#47929983) Homepage
        You may be right about some people finding Sheldon's outing as autistic to be insulting. But for what it's worth, I wouldn't. I AM autistic (Aspergers) as is my two sons and the elder son of my best friend. Both my friends son and I find ourselves identifying with Sheldon because certain facets of his personality and interpersonal relationship skills resonate with us. There have been numerous times when Sheldon has said something virtually word for word that my friends son or I have actually said previously. For both him and I, it is a relief to see someone portraying an autistic individual that isn't "disabled".

        What separates Sheldon from folks like my friends son and myself I think is humility. We know we're different. We may share Sheldons iron clad assumption of rightness on the emotional reaction level, but intellectually we know we're different and that we have to make constant efforts to adapt to the world instead of expecting the world to adapt to us. We've had to come to recognize, accept and even to some extent celebrate neuro-diversity in a way that Sheldon doesn't seem capable of doing. We don't have Sheldons towering intellect, but we are smart. Thus; we can be wrong, life has given us lessons in humility that Sheldon hasn't had and we have learned from them.

        • "We've had to come to recognize, accept and even to some extent celebrate neuro-diversity..."

          They should put this in Sheldon's script! It is pure beauty!

      • by ignavus ( 213578 )

        While I do not fall on the recorded Autism spectrum. The way they make Sheldon would be very insulting to people with these problems.

        While having Asperger's can bring some problems it can also bring strengths and pleasures (e.g. Aspie "special interests" can be great fun, almost like being in love, but with a topic rather than a person). I wouldn't refer to Asperger's simplistically as a "problem". It is a condition with problems and advantages - and also some differences that are just plain neutral.

        Referring to the autism spectrum as unqualified "problems" is part of the problem. Asperger's isn't a defect, it is a difference with positi

        • by quenda ( 644621 )

          I wouldn't refer to Asperger's simplistically as a "problem".

          By definition, it kind of is. Asperger's is a diagnosis, and requires "clinically significant impairment in functioning".
          Without that, you are just a bit nerdy.

    • That's a great point. At this point in the show, they could introduce a "normal" scientist and he'd be a complete outsider.

      • by gfxguy ( 98788 )

        Well... I think what makes a show interesting is the quirky personalities of the characters. If they were "normal," it would be a pretty boring show. On top of that, many of the other scientists they meet on the show, including other faculty (Kripke excepted), are "normal." The deans and school presidents have been "normal." The Leslie character is pretty normal, all things considered. They had episodes where outside scientists came to visit, and despite the voracious sexual appetite (Dr. Plimpton), a

    • How about this: First, define "normal." Put 10 people in a room, you'll get 11 different answers.

      Scientific people can be normal people. You can be scientific and play sports. You can be scientific and be popular.

      So, to be considered "normal", people should play sports? That's playing up to stereotypes. Kind of unscientific, n'est pas?

      What is considered "normal" changes with the time and location.

      • "So, to be considered "normal", people should play sports?"

        Maybe in the 70s. I think today normal is to weigh 300+lbs and spend most of your free time sitting in front of a television (sometimes watching sports) and eating crappy food.

        Occasionaly 'normal' people get lonely and tone out the tv for a few minutes to look for a mate... on the internet.

      • by Wolfrider ( 856 )

        > Kind of unscientific, n'est pas?
         
        ...I'm sorry sir, we only have Hershey's.

        / couldn't resist
        // should not be obscure

    • Normal characters are boring. Only characters with huge character flaws are entertaining.

      This has nothing to do with the Big Bang Theory. All successful sitcom characters abnormal.

    • Re:Too Bad (Score:5, Informative)

      by ranton ( 36917 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:06PM (#47928851)

      Too bad the show doesn't portray any intelligent person as normal as those you receive "support" from.

      In the scientific crowds I have been a part of, Leonard is on par with the more "normal" people I have known. He still has quite a few geeky quirks, but overall he can blend in as well as most geeky guys can. He has a hard time with some of Penny's brain dead friends, especially when watching sports, but overall he seems pretty normal to me.

      Leonard has always struck me as that one normal guy which is quite common in many geeky cliches. They can't have too many of their characters be well balanced or else why would the show be fun to watch?

      From another angle, take a look at Two and a Half Men. You have a womanizing morally bankrupt millionaire, an incompetent brother, and a brain dead son. If I were a millionaire playboy, divorced middle aged man with career problems, or a teenager who struggled in school, I wouldn't want any of those characters to represent me. While each of them may get laid more than the character on BBT, I wouldn't consider any of them to be "normal" either. Abnormal people simply make for great television.

      • by Lumpy ( 12016 )

        On the other hand, any of us that have worked in science or tech has known someone that is like sheldon..... EXACTLY like sheldon....
        But then I have also worked with a Moss clone from the IT crowd...

    • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
      Too bad "normal" people don't make for interesting sitcoms. To use the Seinfeld reference again, every character was extremely eccentric on that show, doesn't mean every New Yorker is like that.
    • by Bigbutt ( 65939 )

      Maybe not a regular character but at least the Physicist motorcycle rider appeared to be "normal" in a pick up girls, ride a motorcycle (vs Howard's "Hog" :) ), etc. way. Heck, he was even a scumbag as most PUA's are portrayed :)

      [John]

  • What happened to "Bazinga"?

    Also your NFPA diamonds in the lab are the wrong direction.

  • You said something above... "I am not a writer so can’t speak with authority".

    Didn't you mean to say "I am not a writer so can’t write with authority"?

    Thanks, enjoy the veal!

    • by Anonymous Coward

      You said something above... "I am not a writer so can’t speak with authority".

      Didn't you mean to say "I am not a writer so can’t write with authority"?

      Thanks, enjoy the veal!

      You wrote 'you said' above... Didn't you mean to write 'you wrote'?

    • No. He isn't a writer, so obviously he can't write regardless of authority. Come to think of it, given that statement how can any of this be true at all? Though I suppose this is all type and not really written at all. Or... is it even type? Oh god, everything I know is based on a lie.

    • by bakes ( 87194 )

      Perhaps he was dictating.

  • by MobyDisk ( 75490 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:33PM (#47929197) Homepage

    I've only seen a few episodes of TBBT, but I didn't get that there was anything geeky about it. Do geeks actually watch the show?

    The first episode has a hot girl meet a couple of nerdy guys who predictable run into her burly ex-boyfriend. In the next episode, said hot chick finds some reason to take a shower in their apartment, and hilarity ensues. It seemed more fanservice than geekdom. There characters were just "Revenge of the Nerds" style over-the-top archetypes of geeks. This is probably typical of sitcoms since realistic people just aren't as funny as exaggerations.

    This interview was the first time I had heard of the series as being for geeks or by geeks. It is good that some mainstream writers take their material seriously.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Of course we do.

      We want to see dramatisations and comedic representation of our world view.

      'Nuff said. I mean the whole relationship with the hottie waitress across the hall says volumes. The awkwardness, the lack of social skills (because our heads were in books all the time when we were growing up), the unsocial behaviour - because we are all blad apes (contrary to the Christians) - well, everything.

      When you live beyond and think beyond everyone else, you are a freak and maybe a liar.

    • by gfxguy ( 98788 )
      I agree... people I talk to at work (decidedly NOT geeks; I'm the lone computer programmer) mostly don't like the show. They call it a show about smart people for dumb people. I guess, in a way, all sitcoms are for dumb people... smart people would be doing something better with their time, but I digress. IMO it's not a show "about" smart people, it's a show about social interactions among really quirky people. The science has very little to do with the show at all... it's an aside; a part of the settin
    • by nabsltd ( 1313397 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @04:48PM (#47931933)

      The first episode has a hot girl meet a couple of nerdy guys who predictable run into her burly ex-boyfriend. In the next episode, said hot chick finds some reason to take a shower in their apartment, and hilarity ensues. It seemed more fanservice than geekdom.

      I actually have little problem with that whole setup, as the group I hung around with in college was seriously geeky (D&D, video games, etc.), but not quite as socially awkward. And, we did have at least one girl who we had not known for more than a week borrow our shower. Like Penny, this girl was comfortable enough with people that it didn't seem weird to her. Like Leonard and Sheldon, my roommate and I didn't strike her as people who you couldn't trust in such a situation (and we didn't do anything to violate that trust).

      There are many things that happened in my college days that would be considered "too unrealistic" to show up in even a sitcom, so I don't have a problem with the situations and characters on BBT. I do have problems when the show is internally inconsistent, like when Leonard and Sheldon don't know Tweety Bird's catch phrase, but Sheldon later references other Looney Tunes characters. Because Sheldon has an eidetic memory, most of the inconsistencies are concerning him, since the writers don't remember everything, and often there are different writers on different episodes. Every show needs an internal fact checker to keep the retcon factor down, but a show that's supposed to be about science should have more than one, as making those sorts of mistakes takes you out of the moment.

  • That show hasn't been about science since around season 3, what has he been doing other than eating donuts in the catering truck? :)
  • love this about /.

    it's almost like our secret 'AMA' only it's actually informative

    thanks again to Dr. Saltzberg for taking my question!

  • I would ask that David please collaborate with the Writers of "The Amazing Spiderman 2", because it seems that they have no idea how real science works.
  • I read something he wrote where he followed the Vitruvius account of the Archimedes experiment. Spotting fallacious scientific preconceptions is apparently not his forte. So it's only about PR?
  • ... meaning, do you also provide input on some of the pop-culture in the show (e.g., Star Trek, Star Wars, comic books, Dr Who, etc.)?

    Saltzberg: Sad to say, I am not. I am so out of it that for a long time

    This is telling. In the show, the scientist characters are always playing games, going to comic book stores, seeing movies, and appear to work 9 to 5. These are not how scientists live. You just don't have a lot of spare time after doing the day's research or grant proposals. BBT is just a show about so

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