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George Lucas's Terrible Idea for Star Wars Episodes 7-9 (indiewire.com) 312

In an interview with James Cameron, George Lucas reveals what he'd planed for the final three Star Wars films: "[The next three 'Star Wars' films] were going to get into a microbiotic world," he told Cameron. "There's this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force...." In terms of his storytelling, Lucas regarded individuals as "vehicles for the Whills to travel around in... And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force."

Lucas is confident that had he kept his company, the Whills-focused films "would have been done. Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did 'Phantom Menace' and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told."

Lucas acknowledges in the interview that "Everybody hated it in 'Phantom Menace' [when] we started talking about midi-chlorians," prompting one Ars Technica editor to add "Because it was a really dumb idea." He speculates that if the final three Star Wars movies followed Lucas's original plan, "Imagine, if you can, our heroes shrinking down like the Fantastic Voyage to go meet some midi-chlorians."

Knowing Lucas's plans for the franchise "should make every Star Wars fan send a note of gratitude to whoever at Disney decided to buy the franchise and take it away and out from under Lucas' control."
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George Lucas's Terrible Idea for Star Wars Episodes 7-9

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  • Hmmm... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MightyMartian ( 840721 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @08:39PM (#56835876) Journal

    To be sure, it's a pretty stupid idea. But one can almost understand where he was coming from. Anything else, including the Extended Universe, would just have been variations on the pre-existing themes. New dark lord and/or war lord rises, picks up where Palpatine and Vader left off, and a ragtag band of rebels goes to war again.

    You know, just like what's actually happening in the main Episode films.

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    • Re:Hmmm... (Score:5, Funny)

      by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:09PM (#56835986) Journal
      As far as I can see it, George Lucas has two skills:

      1) Making memorable characters/scenes. Face it, one of the most vivid characters of all time is Jar Jar Binks.

      2) Making people happy when they leave the theater. Even the prequels, when people left the theater, they were happy.
      • by epine ( 68316 )

        Even the prequels, when people left the theater, they were happy.

        I was one of those people in the theatre for the first prequel.

        My friend and I left the theatre so disgusted (I recall this vividly) that afterwards I had to mentally quarantine the 1977 Star Wars (which I first watched at exactly the right age) to prevent it from catching Jarbola.

        I've always preferred 77 to Empire, and none of the other episodes (Ewoks, shudder) have ever been dear to me in the least.

        In Phantom, it was somewhere around the su

      • Re:Hmmm... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Hognoxious ( 631665 ) on Sunday June 24, 2018 @02:58AM (#56836820) Homepage Journal

        Making people happy when they leave the theater.

        People are happy when they leave the dentist's chair.

    • Re:Hmmm... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:32PM (#56836040)
      When you've got an entire universe where plenty of stuff has happened a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away I think it would have been better to tell an entirely new and different story within that universe largely disconnected from the original trilogy. Part of the problem with the prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy is that they're too beholden to a story created in the original trilogy that didn't need to imagine what exactly had occurred before or what would happen after it ended.

      When writing the original Star Wars do you suppose Lucas had any real idea what the Clone Wars were other than something that sounded cool and to establish a relationship between Ben and Luke's father? Do you suppose when everyone was celebrating on Endor (or it's moon if you want to be that pedantic) that Lucas had given any thought as to the ramifications of what had just occurred to the political situation in the galaxy and what it might mean going forward? Of course he didn't, because those things were unimportant to the story being told.

      However, if some time later you decide to make sequels or prequels to that story, you're beholden to offhand remarks or comments that weren't well fleshed out because you didn't sit down to write or plan out those in advance of your initial story. Tell new stories in that universe that have nothing to do with the characters or events in the original and you might be able to get something narratively satisfying. You can still drop a few references in as subtle winks to the audience if you want, but you won't be so restricted.

      Look at Tolkien's work for an example of stories spanning ages and only being connected by tiny threads. You can certainly find them between the Silmarillion and Lord of the Rings, but they're largely unconcerned with one and other and enjoyment of one doesn't depend on having read the other. I suspect that this is the same reason that the Hobbit movies weren't good (apart from trying to make them tonally something that the story wasn't) as they tried to tie it to Lord of the Rings more than it needed to be.
      • Re:Hmmm... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Sunday June 24, 2018 @05:25AM (#56837092) Homepage Journal

        I like the concept behind the preqels and sequels, even if they were not always executed very well.

        We see the fall of the Jedi order, the flaws in it laid bare. Then the rebels fight back and eventually defeat the empire, but with no Jedi to maintain order and only evil force users the First Order rises out of the ashes.

        Now it looks like they are going to conclude with how the rebellion and the good guys can survive in a post-Jedi universe, where the Force is unbound by the old religious dogma. Obviously there will be a showdown between Ray and Kylo Ren, echoing Return of the Jedi but surely with a different outcome.

        • I can understand wanting more of your favorite characters and to see the story go on just a little bit further. I've read plenty of books or watched many films where I wished for just one more chapter or another scene. However, in looking back across all of the times where that wish came true, I never found the follow up stories to be as good as whatever new story managed to grab my attention next and make me want to see more of that. What made the initial story so good was its completeness, which somewhat
        • but with no Jedi to maintain order and only evil force users the First Order rises out of the ashes

          This would actually have been an interesting story. Who is Snoke and how did he gain power? Who paid for Starkiller Base (ugh, that name)? Why did the Rebellion continue to be such a tiny, continually underfunded activity after the fall of the Empire, instead of becoming a new secular version of the Jedi Knights? Why did the First Order rise to power in preference to the Rebellion in the immediate afterma

          • The novel Star Wars: Bloodline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Bloodline) apparently deals with the time period right before Force Awakens and sets up The First Order, the new Resistance, etc.

      • by dabadab ( 126782 )

        or it's moon if you want to be that pedantic

        It's "its moon" if you want to be that pedantic.

    • To be sure, it's a pretty stupid idea. But one can almost understand where he was coming from. Anything else, including the Extended Universe, would just have been variations on the pre-existing themes.

      I dunno about the "anything else" part.

      I read a story somewhere about a hypothetical origin of the Sith, being a temple on a long-abandoned planet somewhere that still held a sort of sentient psychic malevolence. A story revolving around finding this out (the origins of the Sith), tracking down the planet, and the subsequent battle to destroy it might be pretty interesting. The original Sith don't need to be even remotely human, and could make for some creative backstory.

      Part of good storytelling is creativ

      • The original Sith don't need to be even remotely human, and could make for some creative backstory.

        [Scene: a laboratory on an ancient world]

        "Hey Bob, come look at this."

        [camera pans down into a microscope]

        "Huh, that's strange. Never seen black midichlorians before."

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Its STD with Michael and the mycelium spores..
    • I read his comments a few days ago and thought that, while it sounded goofy, at least it would be different.

      The whole point of science fiction is you can do anything you want. A main character can be a cloud of gas, or a planet. What they you do? Another fascistic bad guy who has magic powers and uses a giant gun to blow up planets. AGAIN. As awful as the prequels were, at least they tried to do some new things.

      I didn't care that much for Rogue One as a whole, but at least it was different.

      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        The whole point of science fiction is you can do anything you want

        No, that's science fantasy. Science fiction should be self consistent. Sure you can have some new science that is indistinguishable from magic, but it should be consistent, not do anything you want. No changing the rules just because.

      • The whole point of science fiction is you can do anything you want.

        Not really, as was already explained in another reply. Also, Star Wars is not science fiction.

        • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

          The whole point of science fiction is you can do anything you want.

          Not really, as was already explained in another reply. Also, Star Wars is not science fiction.

          I think Science Fiction is a broad enough category that Star Wars fits in, even if it has elements of fantasy, and the main plot driver isn't society being effected by technology.

        • It's more accurate to call it Space Opera [wikipedia.org]. But Space Opera is a sub-genre of Science Fiction.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 23, 2018 @08:44PM (#56835912)

    The first two were made with passion. The rest are chasing dollars and it shows.

    • by gosand ( 234100 )

      I agree with you about the first two being the only two REALLY good ones.
      But you should look up a video about Star Wars being saved in the edit. After watching that, I am fully convinced that Lucas has very little talent when it comes to movie making. Remember this - he said in interviews that the first two movies were NOT his vision. Even with this story, about where he wanted to take the storyline, illustrates this.

      I think he's just a hack who got lucky by having good casting and good people working on

  • Call me crazy... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Drakster ( 976032 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @08:51PM (#56835940)

    Call me crazy, but I have a (morbid?) fascination of giving George Lucas a budget, isolating him from the fan community and press, and simply leaving him to his own devices to produce the Star Wars movies he visions.

    Judging by the changes he's made to them already, I wouldn't expect them to be good, but nonetheless, it would certainly be interesting to see.

    • by PolygamousRanchKid ( 1290638 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:09PM (#56835984)

      Call me crazy, but I have a (morbid?) fascination of giving George Lucas a budget, isolating him from the fan community and press, and simply leaving him to his own devices to produce the Star Wars movies he visions.

      Call me crazy, but I have a (morbid?) fascination of giving George Lucas a budget, isolating him from the fan community and press, and simply leaving him to his own devices to produce the THX 1138 movies he visions.

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  • by ChoGGi ( 522069 ) <slashdot&choggi,org> on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:03PM (#56835968) Homepage

    subtle dig at the boring natural of the new movies, or just bad editing...

  • Whenever I see some millennial mouthbreather claiming that the prequels weren't that bad, or that Jar Jar is alright and that the new disney movies are much worse, I'm going to point them to George's comments here. That man lost his mind somewhere between Return of the Jedi and The Phantom Menace, and all this does is cement that fact.
  • by walterbyrd ( 182728 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:15PM (#56836008)

    Everything since then has been total crap.

    • The original series was crap, too. "Luke, I am your father.". Really?
      • I disagree, but I am curious why you think that as it's a somewhat rare opinion that's seldom expanded upon. A New Hope and Empire together were acclaimed for both their technical and storytelling work in the fantasy and science fiction genre.

        Return of the Jedi though I find to have some serious issues:
        * The first 30 minutes is spent on a bizarrely roundabout plan to rescue Han, and ultimately serves no purpose as Han has nothing to do for the entire movie besides standing outside of a door during the thir

        • I want to point out the stupidity of ww2 fighters dropping a torpedo into a thermal exhaust port, flown by a guy who has never piloted a space craft before.
          • Luke had piloted spacecraft before, and used to hunt small flying prey in them. You can argue that shouldn't have been enough, but he was apparently a pilot with some experience.

      • The original series was crap, too. "Luke, I am your father.". Really?

        Got to agree there. I've found them unwatchable since I ceased to be 8 years old.

    • by grep -v '.*' * ( 780312 ) on Sunday June 24, 2018 @12:24AM (#56836530)
      What are you talking about? It did.

      Just like there was only a singnle Matrix and Men in Black movie. Anybody who says differently is just a evil heretic trying to deceive you and needs to drink much more than they already have.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Just like there was only a singnle Matrix and Men in Black movie. Anybody who says differently is just a evil heretic trying to deceive you and needs to drink much more than they already have.

        Q: How many Highlander movies are there?

        A: There can be only one!

      • I get the matrix, but mib? Who cares? The first one was cute, they continued to be cute. But that's all. It's not great Cinema.

        • The problem is that they wrote Tommy Lee Jones' character out at the end of the first movie. A touching scene that was very well done if you asked me. Then they realized for the sequel they wanted the Will Smith / Tommy Lee Jones duo back, and therefore spent the entire first act of MIB2 undoing the ending of the first movie. The stupid part is they had already set up for a sequel, but ended up completely scrapping that in an attempt remake the first movie again.

          Never did see the third movie.

    • I wish Star Wars ended after original trilogy ... Everything since then has been total crap.

      So just to be clear, it would be preferable in your mind that they release 3 good movies in the series and then stop, rather than 3 good ones and 6-8 bad ones. even if you only watch the first 3?

      I don't get it. Does the mere existence of bad sequels have a backwards-in-time effect that worsen the original?

      We get it that you thought the sequels were bad, but this just doesn't make any sense.

  • Yeah - it's dumb. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RyanFenton ( 230700 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:30PM (#56836032)

    It's dumb in the same way the ending to Mass Effect 3 was dumb - introducing new elements into the storyline, right at the end, and shoehorning them in as some great answer to the conflict you created, without actually resolving the conflicts themselves - just dissolving them behind this lame new scrappy-do thought you just had.

    The question is though... why did they commit the same error several times over with the NEW sequels also? Turning the tables upside down over and over, never actually explaining the philosophies, but just shaming any previous understanding and flippantly killing characters for drama. The premadonna Mary Sue character suddenly inventing lightspeed warfare, out of all the galaxy. Malus ex machina at every turn.

    Listen - I understand that Star Wars isn't high cinema. I know it comes inspired from cheesy serial films, and pulpy hammy sci-fi hero stories. But for a film series worth THAT many billions of dollars, you'd think they'd at least want to hold to the odd integrity of the characters at least a little.

    But for some reason, every writer that picks up the series wants to mind-swap the characters with some passion play for their favorite philosophical idea - make Luke and Han REALLY be talking about economic theory, or transcendence or whatever.

    I definitely empathize with Mark Hamill leaving the role in open disgust. There were an endless number of ways any of this could have played out - it's just annoying to never see any sense of the original characters playing out, just their image used as crude tools to give a feeling, then switch message.

    That's kind of how things roll out in big business though. Those that best posturing about being able to produce a thing are usually going to outmaneuver those that have a better plan, but are posturing less.

    That's show business.

    Ryan Fenton

    • The inevaduhble organics/synthetics concept was shot when you had the chance to make peace between the Geth and the Quarians. If I were to ever win a large Powerball, I'll commission Netflix to make a Mass Effect series. First to make sure Femshep makes lots of little blue children, and the second is to come up with a real ending to the series.

    • by mlyle ( 148697 )

      Luls premadonna

    • >It's dumb in the same way the ending to Mass Effect 3 was dumb

      Maybe that's because the entire series was ripped off of Star Control 2 so they didn't know what they were doing.

    • why did they commit the same error several times over with the NEW sequels also?

      Becauae JJ Abrams is an idiot who has public said many times that he thinks that's good storytelling. And every project he's ever worked on has had the same errors.

  • A guy that directed two good movies (THX and SW Ep 4)....and sold toys up the wazoo...

  • When you consider that aliens living in your digestive tract are able to manipulate our hormones, make us hungry, control our immune system and more ... is it so hard to think that similar entities are a component of the 'force'?

    Yes, it is. We want to live in a superhero world surrounded by cinema magic and sexy women and there is no room here for stupid tiny microbes. How could infinitesimal biojunk stimulate our fantasies in the way that our pea brains require?

  • by Alan R Light ( 1277886 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:47PM (#56836066)

    Episode VII: The Whills To Power

    Episode VIII: Triumph of the Whills

    Episode IX: The Last Whills and Testaments

    • and the Gungan side story with perhaps unsavory ethnic stereotypes about a chubby little Whills who says, "what chu talkin bout, Whillis?"

    • The real question is Whills he or wonts he?

      If he do, it might be more like Last Whills and Testicles.

      Maybe a Star Trek crossover fantasy where they rescue tiny Force whales, "Free Whillsy".

      Starring Whills Wheaton.

    • by Ken_g6 ( 775014 )

      Followed shortly by Episode X: Where There's a Whill There's a Way (to make more movies.)

  • but there was some pretentious schmuck who filled Lucas' head with the idea that the movies were anything more than an homage to old pulp serials from his childhood. He suggested all this extra meaning that just plain wasn't there and it all went to Lucas' head. We have him to thank for crap like mideclorians and Lucas' mistaken belief that he could cut it as a script writer.
  • by Uberbah ( 647458 ) on Saturday June 23, 2018 @09:55PM (#56836108)

    The guy comes up with some great ideas and should be paid to create storyboards - the concept of the pod race on Tatooine (stressing concept here, not necessary what was in TPM), the sabre duel between Kenobi/Jinn and Maul.

    But - those ideas should be handed over to a competent writer to be used or discarded as need be. So midiclorians would have been nipped in the bud, and the Ewoks would have been limited to being the cuddly native teddy bears of Endor. Said screenwriter could have then gone with the first idea for VI, where it was escaped Wookie slaves that defeated "an entire legion" of the Emperor's best troops.

    Same goes for Peter Jackson, who's Lucas complex metastasized after the LOTR trilogy. Every time I hear Guillermo del Toro's name I cry inside that he wasn't able to direct The Hobbit, instead of PJ.

  • People forget the Clone Wars 3D animated series was also Lucas' idea. And that his original ideas of the original trilogy were also terrible.

    It's never just the leaders, it's also about the people around him. I'm sure if Lucas did get around to making 7-9, he'd have had people like Dave Filoni assisting him.
  • this is the best idea ever. This is immediately better than SW 7/8. I'm not even trolling. Those were terrible. I want to see this. I want to see Annihilation, StarWars style.

  • why ? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Tom ( 822 )

    Knowing Lucas's plans for the franchise "should make every Star Wars fan send a note of gratitude to whoever at Disney decided to buy the franchise and take it away and out from under Lucas' control."

    Why?

    Granted, his last works don't exactly give me much confidence, but those movies they made instead, let's just cut the crap and agree that they were bad. Really, really bad. They were so bad that the one thing they were good at was being material for CinemaSins.

    Most movie outlines, when given in elevator-pitch format, sounds either silly or trivial.

    Probably, Lucas' change there would have ruined it, especially as it came from nowhere (watched in chronological order, these midi-chlorians are mentioned wha

    • Granted, his last works don't exactly give me much confidence, but those movies they made instead, let's just cut the crap and agree that they were bad.

      No, I'm not going to agree by reason of I disagree. Ep 7 was a complete retread of Ep 4, but it was a stylishly done retread. It certainly wasn't perfect: if didn't need another even bigger death star, but it was pretty fun and I enjoyed it.

      Ep 1 however was an utter heap of crap. Really boring annoying crap with incredibly annoying characters, a boring story

  • by steveha ( 103154 ) on Sunday June 24, 2018 @01:18AM (#56836654) Homepage

    The Force Awakens showed that Disney has the ability to make a movie that looks and feels like a Star Wars movie ought to. Its plot wasn't the best, but I cut them a lot of slack, figuring that movie had a crushing load to carry (it had to not fail, and it had to not have all the fans hate it) so it made sense that the plot was loaded up with things that we'd seen before.

    I was looking forward to the next one... and then it was The Last Jedi which is just a bleak mess. Oh well.

    Disney can manage the look and the feel. They just need to get a good story and let it play out properly on screen and we could yet get watchable Star Wars movies.

    So now we find out that George Lucas's big vision was to do a new trilogy about mystical creatures being the power source for The Force? He still thinks midichlorians was a good idea, and he wants to use that for the new trilogy? That actually sounds worse than The Last Jedi to me.

    George Lucas seems to be getting worse over time. I thought ewoks were kind of annoying... then, Jar Jar Binks... now "Whills"? I'm glad that didn't happen.

    The original Star Wars movie was actually pretty terrible in its rough cut. Deft editing saved it, and Lucas had three people helping him sort out the edit. Then Empire Strikes Back he handed off script and directing to other people, who did a great job. Then in the prequel trilogy, he wrote and directed and what we got was exactly what he intended... and it wasn't great. He needed other people pushing back on his bad ideas and helping him in the areas where he is weak, and he didn't get that. His first idea went straight to screen and he was never forced to rework and improve. Lazy directing went straight to the screen. Nobody had the power to say "no" to him. Too bad.

    P.S. If you haven't seen this, and you're a Star Wars fan, this is totally worth 20 minutes of your time: How Star Wars Was Saved in the Edit [youtube.com]

    P.P.S. Oh wow, "Journal of the Whills" was part of George Lucas's original name for the movie! If you watch that video linked above, you can spot it on the picture of the first page of the script.

    But even if George Lucas insists that this Whills/midiclorians thing was his original plan, I don't buy it. He was making things up as he went along. I'm certain that the plot point of Luke and Leia being siblings wasn't invented in time for the first movie, or else they would have probably skipped her giving him a peck on the cheek for luck; original concept art had everyone armed with glowing swords, not just a few characters; etc. A lot of what we love was added during the process of making the movies, and much of it came from creative contributions from people who were not George Lucas.

  • I'm curious where Lucas could have taken this. More curious than I am about anything else in the Star Wars universe.

    • Seriously! He would have taken Star Wars and fuckin' "hard sci'd" the shit out of it.

      I would have stood up and applauded that because it would have wrecked the previous movies without any sense shame.

      THE BALLS on this guy.

  • by Zamphatta ( 1760346 ) on Sunday June 24, 2018 @03:57AM (#56836934) Homepage
    I'm tired of people saying this would've been horrible. Bad ideas are turned into good stories just as easily as good ideas are turned into bad stories. Hppens all the time. It's all about the writing & ability to make something enjoyable. A good director and screenwriter can make any idea work for a large audience. Personally I would like to have seen how this would've played out. Would've taken Star Wars in a fresh new direction, even if it didn't seem like Star Wars. Couldn't have been worse than The Last Jedi.
    • by Njovich ( 553857 )

      Noooo, people cannot handle something existing that they don't feel 100% comfortable with. That's why every film these days has to go by dozens focus groups to remove every bit of originality and we cannot have original stories anymore, only derivatives.

  • George Lucas continues to prove, no, INSISTS upon proving, that he is the worst person to handle his own properties. He comes up with kickass ideas, but, left too long in his hands, he finds incredible ways to completely screw them up. At a certain point, you have to stop painting, otherwise, it just looks like a mess.
  • by ledow ( 319597 ) on Sunday June 24, 2018 @06:50AM (#56837236) Homepage

    Is it just me that find Star Wars tedious, badly-written shite?

    I mean, I wasn't around when the first came out. Maybe I missed the cult-train on that, but it was never anything more than a poor sci-fi movie to me. Not even "comparing the technology", it still had tons more CGI etc. in it than anything else for years afterwards, but I never found anything about the movie compelling. The "classic" sequels were just more of the same dross. People in teddy-bear costumes. It was like a very bad episode of Star Trek, after the budget had run out, but then tacked on with expensive CGI.

    Then a lapse in time, in which possibly the "best parts" of the whole thing came out - the video games. The old DOS X-Wing / Tie-Fighter games were great. Because it was the cool bit of the films put into your hands with the sound effects.

    I literally haven't even seen any of the "prequels" all the way through. I couldn't stand them. It was more of the same but with some decent-quality camera work and costuming, but stuck alongside the old dross.

    I honestly can't fathom what's interesting about the storyline at all. It's a Star-Trek episode at best, in terms of concept. The early films remind me of poor 80's things like Flash Gordon. Fabulous and cultish but if you watch with anything approaching a modern critical eye, they are utter trash with a soundtrack

    And it died off. In the 90's, Star Wars died and was just history, and became unpopular. Then it revamped and everyone went mad for it again.

    I'm a geek and I'm often assumed to be both a Trekkie and a Star Wars guy and I honestly can't stand either. I can suffer watching an episode but I'm smirking to myself the whole time (and Patrick Stewart face-palming too).

    I honestly don't get why. The acting is poor. The CGI is ruined by the crap (whether that's CGI characters or the complete lack of consistency by using CGI and bear-suits in the same scene). The storyline is quite literally "good versus evil". The dialogue is either twee or literally so dull I switch off (reminds me of parts of the Matrix sequels).

    I don't get what's there to make a multi-million-dollar franchise. I certainly don't get what's in the plotline to actually get upset about.

    I would honestly rather watch Spaceballs on loop.

    • by skam240 ( 789197 )

      "I mean, I wasn't around when the first came out. Maybe I missed the cult-train on that, but it was never anything more than a poor sci-fi movie to me. Not even "comparing the technology", it still had tons more CGI etc. in it than anything else for years afterwards, but I never found anything about the movie compelling. The "classic" sequels were just more of the same dross. People in teddy-bear costumes. It was like a very bad episode of Star Trek, after the budget had run out, but then tacked on with exp

    • by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      > I mean, I wasn't around when the first came out.

      Before the first Star Wars movie came along, Sci Fi moviemaking was in the doldrums, the norm had become standard B movie fare, men in cheesy rubber monster suits and "special" effects so cheap that they didn't even bother hiding the strings. The plot was inevitably at best a simple variant of "monster kidnaps cute girl, hero scours the galaxy to find and kill monster, so saves a now grateful and in-love girl."

      The effect the original Star Wars movie's tr

  • Rachel Welch is too old.

  • Knowing Lucas's plans for the franchise "should make every Star Wars fan send a note of gratitude to whoever at Disney decided to buy the franchise and take it away and out from under Lucas' control."

    Disney is way worse.

    • The difference with George is... there's actual new ideas.

      Whereas all Disney can do apparently, is repackage old ones in different ways and by the end of the movie you don't feel like you've see anything new.

      George, as batshit insane at it sounds, is still... creative.

      • This is exactly what I've been saying to my friends. You know George is coming from an honest place. Disney just wants to extract the cash from our wallets.

  • I agree that Lucas's vision sounds awful but the franchise is not in safe hands with Disney either. They are also clearly going down the "lets fuck the whole thing up" road.
    I mean look at Solo. What a turd that was. Even I, a longtime Star Wars fan actually fell asleep in the theater and couldn't wait for the movie to finally end, it really was that insipid and BORING.

  • by Chris Katko ( 2923353 ) on Sunday June 24, 2018 @01:59PM (#56838690)

    "New Star wars are too similar" vs "Prequels aren't similar enough"

    Friggin' pick one already.

    And if you think there's a third route, "make them just similar enough", enjoy another twenty Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

    If you think you can write a better Star Wars, hurry up and do it already.

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