George Lucas Actually Consulted For The Script Of 'Star War: Episode IX' (collider.com) 141
The teaser trailer for Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker has been viewed 13,665,350 times since its release Friday.
Collider reminds us that while George Lucas oversaw the original Star Wars trilogy and worked on its prequel trilogy, the final three movies in the franchise had moved ahead without direct involvement from the 74-year-old director: To recap, Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney in 2012, setting Kathleen Kennedy as the new head of Lucasfilm and handing over his treatments for Episode VII, Episode VIII, and Episode IX -- the final three films in his Skywalker saga. Kennedy and J.J. Abrams reportedly threw out much of what Lucas handed over (much to the Star Wars director's chagrin) in favor of charting their own path, and Lucas has been pretty mum on the new direction of Star Wars under Disney thus far -- save for high praise heaped on Rogue One and a visit to the set of Solo after Ron Howard took over the director's chair.
But it appears everything has come full circle, as Abrams revealed at Star Wars Celebration in an interview with IGN that when he signed on to direct Star Wars 9, he consulted Lucas before beginning work on the script. "This movie had a very, very specific challenge, which was to take eight films and give an ending to three trilogies, and so we had to look at, what is the bigger story? We had conversations amongst ourselves, we met with George Lucas before writing the script," Abrams revealed...
Having seen the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker trailer, this makes sense. The film looks to be leaning heavily on the original trilogy given the inclusion of that medal, the Death Star, and of course the return of Emperor Palpatine. And given Abrams' comments here, it sounds like he was very strongly thinking about Star Wars 9 as a conclusion to the entire Star Wars saga.
After that conclusion, Disney CEO Bob Iger says, "There are movies in development, but we have not announced them. We will take a pause, some time, and reset because the Skywalker saga comes to an end with this ninth movie.
"There will be other Stars Wars movies, but there will be a bit of a hiatus."
Collider reminds us that while George Lucas oversaw the original Star Wars trilogy and worked on its prequel trilogy, the final three movies in the franchise had moved ahead without direct involvement from the 74-year-old director: To recap, Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney in 2012, setting Kathleen Kennedy as the new head of Lucasfilm and handing over his treatments for Episode VII, Episode VIII, and Episode IX -- the final three films in his Skywalker saga. Kennedy and J.J. Abrams reportedly threw out much of what Lucas handed over (much to the Star Wars director's chagrin) in favor of charting their own path, and Lucas has been pretty mum on the new direction of Star Wars under Disney thus far -- save for high praise heaped on Rogue One and a visit to the set of Solo after Ron Howard took over the director's chair.
But it appears everything has come full circle, as Abrams revealed at Star Wars Celebration in an interview with IGN that when he signed on to direct Star Wars 9, he consulted Lucas before beginning work on the script. "This movie had a very, very specific challenge, which was to take eight films and give an ending to three trilogies, and so we had to look at, what is the bigger story? We had conversations amongst ourselves, we met with George Lucas before writing the script," Abrams revealed...
Having seen the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker trailer, this makes sense. The film looks to be leaning heavily on the original trilogy given the inclusion of that medal, the Death Star, and of course the return of Emperor Palpatine. And given Abrams' comments here, it sounds like he was very strongly thinking about Star Wars 9 as a conclusion to the entire Star Wars saga.
After that conclusion, Disney CEO Bob Iger says, "There are movies in development, but we have not announced them. We will take a pause, some time, and reset because the Skywalker saga comes to an end with this ninth movie.
"There will be other Stars Wars movies, but there will be a bit of a hiatus."
the two droids. (Score:3)
It's just the story of C3PO and R2D2
Should have Consulted Kurosawa (Score:3, Interesting)
And these two droids are the comedic relief, which is a hold over from the Two Thieves which a Samurai (Jedi) forces to help him and his Princess escape an Imperial Forces in the movie Hidden Fortress, which the original Star Wars treatment blatantly plagiarized. [youtube.com]
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Re: Should have Consulted Kurosawa (Score:3, Funny)
"Google's location data says Obi Wan is in Tatooine, Lord Vader."
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Way ahead of you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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> Making the next ones have an all white male cast wouldn't fix anything, if that's all you changed.
The races, or genders, of the cast has nothing to do with whether Star Wars was ruined by SJWs.
For example: the new sequels strain to make all females absolutely perfect beyond belief, while all the male leads are stupid beyond belief. It is obvious PC BS, and it gets very tiresome.
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> Making the next ones have an all white male cast wouldn't fix anything, if that's all you changed.
The races, or genders, of the cast has nothing to do with whether Star Wars was ruined by SJWs.
For example: the new sequels strain to make all females absolutely perfect beyond belief, while all the male leads are stupid beyond belief. It is obvious PC BS, and it gets very tiresome.
Hello, Leia, Ep. IV? It's been a theme in Star Wars all along and epics in general for centuries.
The last jedi sucked (Score:5, Funny)
This teaser did not convince me of anything. (Score:1)
The name is weird. Rise of the Skywalker? Is that supposed to be some sort of apology for the insulting storyline of the previous movie?
The action sequence looked campy.
Everything else was just clips showing us familiar sights from previous movies, to try and invoke our nostalgia.
I don't see anything here that makes me want to come back to Star Wars after the travesty that was The Last Jedi.
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"Taking the rise" means to mock something, normally used in combination with "you muppet" or "what do you take me for, some sort of pilchard?" Only people who think rings with coins in them are classy, i.e. most non-toff Brexiteers, use it these days.
Perhaps it's mocking itself?
Re: Was Star Wars ever actually good? (Score:2)
If jar jar had turned out to be SNoke (Score:2)
Was Lucas "actually" consulted, "virtually" consulted, or "merely" consulted. I'm confused.
Boy I would have loved it if Snoke had turned out to be Jar Jar. Drunken master style. would have been the biggest stick in the eye of the jar-jar haters ever.
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It sucked so badly that they have Rian Johnson a trilogy of Star Wars films as punishment!
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What about Star Wars' Holiday Special [youtube.com]?
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It's typical made-for-TV schlock, but the Jefferson Starship music video rocks.
Some vision better than none (Score:5, Insightful)
Lucas couldn't make it worse.
(Not something I would have said after the prequel trilogy, but times change.)
Let it go. (Score:2)
If you would like more then read the many BOOKS which I'm told are actually not horribly simplistic and pretty good plus they all must tie together... and Lucas didn't write them, just set the bar higher than he could ever reach for those writers.
You know they will mess it up and Lucas already messed it up and to wrongs together will not make a right. Get over it and enjoy the past movies; even a decent job wouldn't replace your memory and age when you saw them. Enjoy the past memory and don't expect all th
Re: Let it go. (Score:1)
The books are shite, no one gives a shit about the books. Now the films are shite too, which is a shame.
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The Thrawn trilogy is shit? Who knew. Never mind that everyone's favorite TIE and X-wing games of ~20 years ago were made around all that cannon material or anything...
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Yes. All of it is comic book grade space cowboy drivel.
It's called a space opera for a reason, maybe you need to just off a copy of the merchant of venice and tell the plebs how a story is supposed to be.
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Cannon material? Like bronze and iron, you mean?
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As a thought experiment, think of of Episode 7 and 8 with the addition of Jar Jar Binks and even more little children.
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As a thought experiment, think of of Episode 7 and 8 with the addition of Jar Jar Binks and even more little children
How about they burst into song and dance a few times ?
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But yes, that would make it even more terrible in my opinion.
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I do not count them as musical numbers though. They're ambient stuff. Not something the protagonists are actively partaking in like in Disney cartoons or animations.
Imagine having Harrison Ford and Adam Driver sing and dance the part where Solo is killed. Or Daisy Ridley and Mark Hamil while training on that merchandise for children planet.
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I am fairly certain that he could make it worse. As a thought experiment, think of of Episode 7 and 8 with the addition of Jar Jar Binks and even more little children.
They're called Ewoks.
So the guy who gave us midichlorians (Score:5, Insightful)
The trouble with the last couple Star Wars movies wasn't that it didn't stick to Lucas' ideas. The writing was just plain bad and the direction worse. The Last Jedi was just a bad movie. The plot didn't make sense. Nobody's motivations made sense. The fight scenes were badly, almost laughable choreographed and Rey's a Mary Sue character without an arc because the writers were in too much of a hurry to get to lightsaber battles.
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Rey's a Mary Sue character without an arc because the writers were in too much of a hurry to get to lightsaber battles.
No, they wanted to add in pointless feminist crap. And everyone can see that. It's just bad.
Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians (Score:4, Interesting)
He appears to understands R2D2. He fixes their droids and discovers Leia's message.
He picks up light sabre combat quickly against that training ball from Kenobi.
He shoots down Tie fighters like a pro while manning the turret in the Falcon.
He shoots his proton torpedoes at a 90 angle into an exhaust vent, without using a targeting computer and flying through a narrow corridor with lots of anti ship batteries around him being chased by other Tie fighters. Showing off experienced pilots.
So yeah, let's not forget that kind of nonsense. All of this expertise without showing the audience any of the training required to acquire these skills. If you're willing to accept this while denying that Rey as a scavenger of technology isn't explanation enough you're applying double standards and not being rational.
Where the real difference starts was the 2nd instalment of the original trilogy. In empire Luke has to learn and to train, and he does badly. When he leaves his training to rescue his friends and face Vader he fails so badly that he loses his hand.
This is where the Luke character evolves, whereas Rey doesn't see such a development in her 2nd instalment.
They called it "subverting expectation". Yeah, subverting expectations my ass. I could smell what they tried to sell us as subversion from some distance away and said to myself "don't go there. don't go there. don't go there. HELL NO you did do it!" Maybe it works as subversion for someone who can't read the faintest social cues or never has seen any other movie before. But for most perceptive people it'd dare to wager that there were little surprises, it was just cheap and shoddy execution.
Re:So the guy who gave us midichlorians (Score:4, Insightful)
He spends most of A New Hope training but doesn't really use the lightsaber for anything and doesn't do much in the way of fighting. He doesn't actually shoot down tie fighters like a pro, it takes him a while to get ONE of them and even then he's told "good, now don't get cocky". The one thing that's impressive is justified by his being a pilot that used to shoot small targets, a good enough pilot he wanted to go to the imperial academy, and the fact that he's literally using the force while having an entire airforce covering for him at the climax of the film.
He doesn't turn into a fighter until the second movie by which time he's spent a while with an armed rebellion. Even then his fight with Vader goes disastrously, he gets his ass handed to him and literally loses a hand. And that's AFTER finding and training with Yoda. It's not until the final movie that he's really shown to be a competent fighter and military leader.
Meanwhile Rey is better than everyone at every thing without any effort, training, or consequences.
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Rey starts out by crashing the Millennium Falcon into the ground, and doesn't improve all that much from there. Kylo has been shot but still has little difficulty fighting her, and remember that he's not actually trying to hurt her because he wants her as his ally.
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In The Last Jedi Rey initially fails to convince Luke to help her, and gets next to no training. She finds out her parents are insignificant and doesn't get the answers she was looking for.
Finally at the end she is able to use the force to move the rocks herself. The message is clear: she is not a Jedi, she has a natural gift and she doesn't need the Jedi training. The Jedi have failed and she is how the Force moves past them.
He understands R2 (Score:2)
He didn't pick up lightsabre battles quickly. He didn't use a lightsabre until Empire and got the snot beat out of him. Even when he used the sabre on the Skiff and beat down Vader in Jedi he was leaning heavily on his Force powers (and rage when he beat Vader, who's rage had started t
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Lucas only wrote New Hope (Score:2)
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It has become an after school special. I always enjoyed Star Wars as a good vs. evil, but now I get this "let's give everyone a trophy" vibe from the story when it comes to characters like Rose Tico and I hear echos of political rallies I see in the news today. No hate on Rose Tico or the actress that portrayed her and was subsequently bullied for it or political views different from my own, but keep that shit the fuck out of the franchise I've loved for thirty years. I watch Star Wars to escape reality.
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It's interesting that Empire got a similar reaction when it was released. People complained about taking a straightforward fantasy movie and introducing a puppet Jedi master, and then the ridiculous (and now iconic) reveal that the big bad is Marty Stu's dad.
What do you mean by "give everyone a trophy"? The point of that movie, like Empire, is that they lost badly and hit pretty much rock bottom, setting up the third movie. Rose's role was to help Finn transition from just a guy running from the Empire and
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Marty Stu? You mean the guy that had to struggle, train, and fight in every movie and got his ass handed to him even after training with the great jedi master yoda? The guy who literally got his hand cut off to show how imperfect, weak, and flawed he was as a character? The one that took three movies worth of trials and training to become a competent fighter and military leader?
A Marty Stu would've been if he had singlehandedly proven to be a better pilot, mechanic, jedi, and fighter than everyone on screen
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You may recall that in the first movie he goes from being a country bumpkin shooting at womp rats to piloting a military spacecraft against the best pilots the Empire has, including Vader, and managing to take a shot that the computer couldn't, in the space of about a week.
It's even explicitly stated that Luke is a special Marty Stu in the movie, because the force is strong with him. He's not an ordinary guy who has to work hard to become an ace pilot, he's born to do it.
Merely losing is not enough to preve
I don't get that (Score:2)
There's a YouTube outrage machine you're probably picking up on that road the crappiness of the last Star Wars movie to a lot of free hits. But Step outside that and to plain old movie critics who break the film down
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My guess is that "the Skywalker" in the title refers to a new force using order to replace the Jedi, based on Luke's philosophy.
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No no no, "the Skywalker" is the new magic power to replace the Force! Disney's got to be sure it retires all those dusty old trademarks.
Luke->Rey ...and so on, and so on.
Han->Poe
R2-D2+C-3PO->BB-8
Rebellion->Resistance
Empire->First Order
Tatooine->Jakku
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What is wrong with sitting down with the original creator for a couple of hours to hear the ideas that never made it into the movies, then looking at those ideas to see if you can do something with them? They didn't say they asked him to write the script like it was the holy gospel.
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The last time we got ideas that didn't make it into the original movies we ended up with Jar Jar. No sorry I lie. That came out before he decided to "add" to the original movies. I wish no one told him computer animation was possible.
I think it looks pretty good (Score:1)
From the trailer and what little we know, I think the last movie may be better than the two before it... Because they reach a real finale I think it will be less faffing about and more closing up a lot of story threads.
In a way, the previous two movies were practice movies for the last movie, both in terns of acting and writing.
The really good thing is, one way or another the final movie of the original ,movie series finally leaves a lot of breathing room for a ton more Star Wars stories in all forms to blo
Re: I think it looks pretty good (Score:3, Insightful)
Well it literally can't be worse than the last jedi, I mean can it? Even if the whole film is just chewbacca doing a shit, that would be better, I wish TLJ was just chewbacca doing a shit so then it would have had the same plot quality, but less destruction of beloved characters. I'll probably watch the next one, but I'll be pirating it if I do.
Re: "save for high praise heaped on Rogue One" Wha (Score:2)
I did. I liked that and Solo. The 2 trilogy films on the other hand were stinkers.
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4th (Score:4, Insightful)
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I think it's just a rumour for now.
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That's not Palatine laughing at the end (Score:3)
It's Lando laughing while flying the Millennium Falcon as he mows down a surprise return of Jar Jar .. well that's what I am hoping for!
Lucas’ sage advice (Score:5, Funny)
“We can fix it in post.
Even post-release.”
I won't be holding my breath (Score:2)
After sitting through the abomination of "The Last Jedi", I think I'll see Episode IX after I get around to watching "Solo", "Star Trek: Discovery", and "Star Trek Beyond". Oh, wait ...
Both franchises are done, and Star Wars most of all. It's nothing but a Disney merchandising vehicle. Having Lucas "consult" on the script means nothing. The script will be ultimately be written by a Disney executive committee.
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So Jar Jar makes a return? (Score:2)
Anyways, I have stopped caring since Episode 1.
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I watched Star Wars in the theater in 1977. Haven't had time for any of the rest of it, except for surfing on the layer of the fandom by reading threads like this. Oh, and watching the Christmas Special.
I was too busy in the 80's being a nerd. Yes, a real nerd, with soldering iron and TTL gates and all that stuff they don't do on TV shows or movies.
I bet that there will be SW X, XI, XII and so on.. (Score:4, Insightful)
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It's possible they're going to be named different things as they take place in the same universe, but on other planets and possibly time periods.
Star Wars (Score:1)
Star Wars post-Palpatine reboot (Score:4, Interesting)
Whatever happened after the 2nd Death Star blew up should be rebooted. There never was a 'first order' that was able to amass an army without anyone knowing about it. Or that weird weaponry.
I can believe an Imperial Remnant. I can believe the Emperor lying about the entire fleet being there. I can even believe task forces (a dreadnought with several Star Destroyers and auxiliary vessels) being sent on secretive missions and being too far away to recall. But I believe NONE of that First Order stuff they're trying to push down our throats.
Hopefully Disney will sell the franchise and we'll see a reboot.
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Why would Lucas provide input on IX? (Score:2)
I hope George turned him away (Score:1)
I choose to never watch any of it again (Score:2)
The last time I watched a star wars film was roughly the year 1987.
I'm going to keep my vague inaccurate partial memories of the first three films and my memories of my mother being a sharp tongued sour faced bitch when I requested star wars toys for Christmas, wanted to buy star wars toys with my money or played with them in range of her.
So, George... (Score:2)
We sort of broke the franchising somehow and would really like some advice on how we transition out of this...
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Wait... you're saying it was all pure gold when Lucas ran it and now it's been ruined???