'House of the Dragon' and 'Rings of Power' Face Off In Podcasting (bloomberg.com) 114
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: A good fall TV run comes to an end on Sunday when HBO airs its House of the Dragon season one finale, a week or so after Amazon wrapped up the first season of The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power. The shows aren't done yet providing content, though. Both Amazon and HBO offer companion podcasts to keep fans engaged, and both devised wildly different approaches for their audio. The podcasts offer behind-the-scenes chats with cast and crew and strive to become the definitive place to hear conversations around their respective programming. The shows' similarities end there, however.
HBO, for example, released three episodes of The Official Game of Thrones Podcast: House of the Dragon before the actual TV series aired, choosing to hype listeners up for the debut through an interview George R.R. Martin, as well as an "everything we know"-style show. Since then, the program has been released weekly alongside new episodes of the series on Sunday evenings. Michael Gluckstadt, director of podcasts for HBO and HBO Max, says the podcast will continue even after the series breaks between seasons. "There's no end date for this in sight," he said, which is atypical for podcasts the network has released in the past, including for Succession and The Gilded Age. [...] The podcast is available on all platforms, as well as on YouTube and the HBO Max app.
Meanwhile, Amazon didn't release any episodes of its The Official The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Podcast until the season finale. Marshall Lewy, chief content officer at Amazon's Wondery, said the team wanted the streaming series to "speak for itself." Wondery has created companion podcasts before, namely for its own podcasts that were adapted for streaming, like Dr. Death and WeCrashed, but this marks the first time the team has worked in coordination with an Amazon series. "This is really our first opportunity to do a partnership like this connected to Prime Video," Lewy said. The podcast now receives front-and-center promotion ahead of each streaming video episode, which is the first time the coveted space has promoted something other than a Prime video series, he said. A promotion for The Official The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Podcast that surfaces on Prime Video. The podcast is only available on Amazon Music, the Wondery app and Audible, a critical difference from HBO's strategy. Lewy said this decision made sense given that anyone watching the show is a Prime subscriber and can freely access Amazon Music. "The effort put into these podcasts not only speaks to the need to increase fan engagement with the programming but to create an ongoing dialogue with viewers so they don't drop off from season to season," writes Bloomberg's Ashley Carman. "A person's podcast time likely differs from their streaming time, which in theory minimizes the risk of cannibalizing the hours that viewers could be spending on other Amazon or HBO series."
"The video services want more than just sixty minutes of their viewers' attention once a week -- they want to be a part of their day and part of their conversations with friends for as long as possible."
HBO, for example, released three episodes of The Official Game of Thrones Podcast: House of the Dragon before the actual TV series aired, choosing to hype listeners up for the debut through an interview George R.R. Martin, as well as an "everything we know"-style show. Since then, the program has been released weekly alongside new episodes of the series on Sunday evenings. Michael Gluckstadt, director of podcasts for HBO and HBO Max, says the podcast will continue even after the series breaks between seasons. "There's no end date for this in sight," he said, which is atypical for podcasts the network has released in the past, including for Succession and The Gilded Age. [...] The podcast is available on all platforms, as well as on YouTube and the HBO Max app.
Meanwhile, Amazon didn't release any episodes of its The Official The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Podcast until the season finale. Marshall Lewy, chief content officer at Amazon's Wondery, said the team wanted the streaming series to "speak for itself." Wondery has created companion podcasts before, namely for its own podcasts that were adapted for streaming, like Dr. Death and WeCrashed, but this marks the first time the team has worked in coordination with an Amazon series. "This is really our first opportunity to do a partnership like this connected to Prime Video," Lewy said. The podcast now receives front-and-center promotion ahead of each streaming video episode, which is the first time the coveted space has promoted something other than a Prime video series, he said. A promotion for The Official The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Podcast that surfaces on Prime Video. The podcast is only available on Amazon Music, the Wondery app and Audible, a critical difference from HBO's strategy. Lewy said this decision made sense given that anyone watching the show is a Prime subscriber and can freely access Amazon Music. "The effort put into these podcasts not only speaks to the need to increase fan engagement with the programming but to create an ongoing dialogue with viewers so they don't drop off from season to season," writes Bloomberg's Ashley Carman. "A person's podcast time likely differs from their streaming time, which in theory minimizes the risk of cannibalizing the hours that viewers could be spending on other Amazon or HBO series."
"The video services want more than just sixty minutes of their viewers' attention once a week -- they want to be a part of their day and part of their conversations with friends for as long as possible."
This vs that ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Like so often you can watch (or listen to) one, the other, both or neither ....
Thank god there's Slashdot (Score:3)
Else I wouldn't even have noticed.
An interview with George R.R. Martin? (Score:2)
House of the Dragon (Score:5, Interesting)
Everyone is ripping apart RoP, which I didn't bother watching because of the negative reviews. My wife and I did start watching House of the Dragon, though so I'll chime in on that.
First few episodes were actually pretty good IMO. I stopped watching it, though, when they suddenly jumped 10 years into the future and changed the cast. We weren't expecting it, it caught us off guard and we lost interest after giving that first "10 years later" episode a chance.
We were just heavily invested in the story of two teenage girls who found themselves in the middle of a wicked power struggle that would directly involve them and that they would inherit, but that they were completely unprepared to handle. Everything that happened between those first 4 or 5 episodes and the "10 years later" was the story we were looking forward to and thought we were being sold in the first few episodes. It was a bait and switch.
We even thought, based on how they ended the wedding episode, that King Viserys was going to die and Rhaenyra was about to become queen immediately as a teenager with enemies plotting to kill her. That would have been fascinating. But they kept him on, didn't change that actor, aged Rhaenyra and Alicent 10 years - not through makeup or cgi but with an unexpected cast change - and started telling the same story but with adults. It's a story that can work, don't get me wrong, but it's just less interesting and not what we were looking forward to.
So we lost interest and stopped watching.
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I've said that before, I will say it again, if I have to dig into some expanded universe, read a bunch of graphic novels and comic books, do some background research for the characters and invest more time and energy into researching the world of the movie than the writer did, it's not a good movie.
A movie has to stand on its own legs. Yes, an expanded universe can expand on what the movie showed. It can fill in some blanks and add color to the canvas, but the movie has to be capable to explain sufficiently
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Everyone is ripping apart RoP, which I didn't bother watching because of the negative reviews.
well i did, just because it's free on torrent, and really enjoyed it. it has a few really embarrassingly cheesy moments but all in all i liked the narrative and the characters far better than any part of lotr except the first. go figure. (disclaimer, not a tolkien hardcore fan either).
i'll have to check those dragons, wasn't aware of their existence ...
My wife and I did start watching House of the Dragon, though so I'll chime in on that.
how interesting! please send your wife my best regards! :p
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Sure, what you wanted might have been inte
Ring of Power won, clearly? (Score:1)
"...they want to be a part of their day and part of their conversations with friends..."
Unfortunately the conversations were about:
- how astonishingly average and uninteresting the show was
- the mediocrity of the acting
- the puerile suburban 21st century dialogue
- the hateable characters
- the woke casting bullshit
- the people claiming that the only reason anyone didn't like their beloved show was because of the woke casting bullshit, etc.
As well as "How could you hand a half a BILLION dollars to some numbnu
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- the woke casting bullshit
- the people claiming that the only reason anyone didn't like their beloved show was because of the woke casting bullshit, etc.
What exactly was "woke" about the casting?
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Of course /you'd/ focus on that. You're like a caricature of yourself.
BTW your disingenuousness is showing.
Even CNN noticed https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/03... [cnn.com]
I don't have any issue with dark-skinned people in Tolkien's world- he *specifically* mentioned them, several times.
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The "woke" casting is intentional. It's the safety guard against bad reviews. Because now, if you hate the hack writing, the ridiculous dialogues, the wooden acting or the predictable plot, it can only be because you hate black people.
The Cycle Repeats (Score:2)
Entertainment Tonight (Score:1)
With streaming taking over from traditional broadcasters and few of your target audience watching ET to hype your show, you need to find another way. Getting your show in front of people is getting hard with so many other channels of inputs that are algo'd and hard to get your content into, how else are they going to advertise their presence and create demand? It is so fractured and evolving there is no one phone call and begging that can be done to get your show publicized.
I don't think I made it past 15 minutes in the (Score:2)
Rings of Power first episode. It's fucking bad. Shows/Movies designed by marketing committees and not artists need to fucking die.
I assume Tolkien's corpse is at least partially responsible for global warming, as it has doubtlessly hit new records for rotational speed.
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The second hour was simply boring. We got a few glimpses into dwarf and hobbit culture that both seemed kind of childish. We
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Well, um, explain Mordor then.
Reminds me of a Star Wars spoof where two Stormtroopers have a conversation:
Say, why do we wear white?
Because we're the good guys, duh!
And why is our leader in all black?
Because his black market deals kinda rubbed off.
In short, there's an explanation for everything. Ok, not really, but at least some kind of excuse.
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Amazon needs to learn Hollywood fast. They probably
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I think the torch thing was like 30 seconds before I turned it off. A CGI "Troll" jumped out and I was done. Galadriel as special forces commando was sickening to watch right from the start.
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Re:Rings of neurodiverse Mary Sue (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't even understand the logic of the RoP writers. My best guess is they were trying to create their naive image of a strong woman character.
The irony is that the character Tolkien created and Peter Jackson showed on screen was always the epitome of a strong character. Not just physically strong, but powerful in a way that meant she didn't have to fall back on physical strength. She's literally the paragon of what men have always found virtuous... the ideal form that every 50 year old father tries to tell their 15 year old son to be a little more like. "Be considerate and thoughtful of the people around you. Understand before you act. Be aware of your emotions, and don't let them control you."
The RoP character is a teenager dressed up in armor with a sword, and is completely unbelievable as someone who's thousands of years old from a race of elves. If anything, she's a caricature of all the traits we parents want our children to grow out of. I mean, it would be interesting to actually show a teenaged elf and show their character grow into their older self, but this character is supposed to already be old and wise. If you were the elves, would you hand this person a ring of power? It just boggles my mind.
But hey, this is writing these days. In the new Star Trek films they handed the captain's chair of the enterprise to a Kirk that had flunked out of the academy and hadn't done anything to show he was ready for command. I guess we don't call it fantasy for nothing.
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A strong character is one that faces adversary conditions and overcomes them despite hardships, after hard work, sacrifice and most of all, overcoming his own limitations, growing beyond what they seemed to be.
A character that is already omnipotent to begin with cannot do that.
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It was always going to piss off the purists who want a faithful adaptation of Tolkien's works
That is a very tiny minority of the Amazon Prime subscriber base, though they can be quite loud. Personally, I find it rather strange that they can simultaneously suspend disbelief sufficiently to enjoy the original works while being enraged by departures from the "true path". I mean, really -- you're perfectly comfortable with dwarves, but not beardless female dwarves? Immortal elves who can see past the horizon are fine, but you choke if they have short hair?
Re: Rings of neurodiverse Mary Sue (Score:1)
It is middle earth before the coming of age of men.
People don't want their investment into the appendices devalued by packaged coolaid.
Fans are sad that a self contained franchise where the author spent enormous amount of love and work to make it consistent with certain ideas will be corrupted after the authors death and his son's death. People love the author and don't want to see his work ruined.
Short hair has been marketed as a political statement. Its presence in a show where it doesn't fit the existing
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People don't want their investment into the appendices devalued by packaged coolaid.
Then they should stick to the books and not watch the series. We're talking about fantasy fiction novels and a TV show here. And it's Kool-Aid -- don't devalue a cherished product.
Fans are sad that a self contained franchise where the author spent enormous amount of love and work to make it consistent with certain ideas will be corrupted after the authors death and his son's death. People love the author and don't want to see his work ruined.
Oh, for cryin' out loud. His work isn't being corrupted or ruined. I've checked my copies of The Hobbit and the trilogy; as far as I can tell they're still intact, and I'm sure the same is true of yours as well. This reminds me of the fundamentalist Christians who picket a movie about Christ because it takes liberties with the Bib
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This is not a moral crusade.
You shouldn't throw around allusions to the phrase "drinking the Kool-Aid" when you apparently have no understanding of its associations. [wikipedia.org] That, coupled with talk of people's "investment" in a fantasy tale and the "corruption" of beloved ideas, undeniably smacks of moral outrage.
No one is holding a gun to the head of Tolkien "true believers" and forcing them to watch the show. I don't care one way or the other whether people love or hate the TV show; it's just a TV show, and there are lots of other things to
Wouldnt be complaining if she was male. (Score:1)
Of course you never hear the level of whining you'll hear over a male character being as such as you will a female. There are countless movies out of Hollywood with male characters that perfectly fit what you're describing and yet I never hear this level of bitching for any of them. Pretty much every Marvel movie for instance features primarily male heroes who could be described just as you've described Galadriel.
Plus it's funny to hear people complain about a character that has been alive for thousands of
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Marvel movies were very clearly an example and not the lone domain of what I'm talking about by a long shot and regardless of them sucking or not they are massively popular movies where no one complains about the male characters being Gary Stus. Just because you feel RoP should be high art doesnt change the fact that you have likely glossed over countless Gary Stus in movies you've likely thought were great flicks as Hollywood movies are full of such characters.
Your critique also fails to acknowledge that a
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And now you've changed the topic from her being a Mary Sue to her not being a likable character. Not the same thing at all.
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Why are you still going on about this? Regardless of what you're trying to tell me none of what you're describing has anything to do with a Mary Sue which is a term I'm beginning to think you don't understand so here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org].
All you're doing is just changing the subject to what you seem to want to talk about and I'm not interested as what you seem to want to talk about is a purely subjective topic of taste.
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Re: Wouldnt be complaining if she was male. (Score:2)
Plenty of people familiar with the source material bitched about, well, the entirety of the Starship Troopers movie but that very much included the characterization of Rico and how he acts. People bitched about, well, the entirety of the Artemis Fowl movie, but especially the characterization of Artemis Fowl and his father. Plenty of people bitched about the first His Dark Materials movie and the characterization of the main character, whose name escapes me at the moment. The difference is that plenty in th
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So take your bullshit and shove it right back up your ass.
Hahaha, you're so full of shit. I've never ever heard of anyone complaining about any of those movies in relationship to Gary Stus. If you're not just making shit up you probably saw a single post once and now you think you got me so good because of it when all the world hears about anything that even remotely looks like a Mary Sue. I hear about Mary Sue's so much and Gary Stus so little I had to look up the male version of the term and Hollywood movies are rife with Gary Stus
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Your first sentence didn't mention Gary Stus at all. It was merely male vs female characters and the amount of whining thereof. To which I responded and pointed out that you were completely fucking wrong. Your subsequent blathering about Gary Stus I ignored. Especially as it's the wrong argument to make. The issue there is not that she is hyper-competent at fighting(Although canonically her character is much more of a diplomat and magic user, thus going back to one of the root causes of all the furor over
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I'm sorry you were new to the thread and didnt take the time to familiarize yourself with what was being discussed and just charged right in. This thread had Mary Sue in the title up until my post you responded to but I suppose that's a bit much for someone to notice.
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Fine, you want a excoriation of your dogshit argument about Mary Sues? Here goes. Nobody's pissing on about Mary Sues in new franchises. The Mary Sues being complained about are being inserted into pre-existing franchises. Nobody gives a shit if the guys in The Expendables are Gary Stus. Why? Because the franchise was built around them being so. What people are pissed about is an existing franchise being shat upon by great height by shitty authors and directors to prop up their speshul character. So if you
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Nobody gives a shit if the guys in The Expendables are Gary Stus. Why? Because the franchise was built around them being so.
Wow, I bet you see no contradiction to you stating that in the context of a discussion about an elf who has thousands of years of experience (not to mention just being of a race more powerful than all the humans she's hanging out with) being complained about as a Mary Sue. That's something special alright.
Furthermore, where the fuck are these absurd rules coming from? "You can only be bothered by Mary Sues in this specific context". There's nothing about a world inhabited by dragons and wizards that means M
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And if you were just whining about people commenting on the presence of Mary Sues, you would have a point but you don't because you tried to make it a comparison between male and female. Instead shit for brains, you're doing the equivalent of whining about people pissed off that someone is using wallhacks in an official counterstrike tournament because you saw other people playing on a private server where the mods and their friends were using wallhacks and so clearly it should be okay and no one should be
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Wait a second, Rico wasnt a Gary Stu in Starship Troopers, the guy sucked at a ton of stuff. You dont even understand what's being discussed, you're talking about movies that are different from their source material and not the subject of this thread. You're talking shit at me and you dont even understand the topic. Get your shit together idiot.
Re:Rings of neurodiverse Mary Sue (Score:5, Insightful)
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She's the daughter of Finarfin, and descendent of the kings of the Teleri, Noldor, and Vanyar. A queen, champion, sorceress, and warrior.
If she's a Mary Sue, it's because Tolkien wanted her to be.
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She's the daughter of Finarfin, and descendent of the kings of the Teleri, Noldor, and Vanyar. A queen, champion, sorceress, and warrior.
If she's a Mary Sue, it's because Tolkien wanted her to be.
But Tolkien did NOT write her as a Mary Sue. The RoP writers changed some of the existing character's backstories, created new (and completely superfluous) characters and locations. For example, Isildur was born more than 1500 years AFTER the rings of power were forged and hidden.
From what I've read online, the show runners were only able to use The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings trilogies as reference so were unable to use any characters or locations that didn't explicitly appear in those books and ind
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What do you think is prioritized in the show?
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I think complex story telling that involves multi-dimensional characters facing complex and morally ambiguous situations and as the result experiencing character growth was replaced with a checkbox writing driving 'the message'. Just compare Boromir story line in LotR and Galadriel in RoP.
So what is the message?
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So what is the message?
Politics and virtue signaling.
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Can you elaborate on the political themes you encountered? I'm at a complete loss as to what virtue signaling was going on.
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I think RoP primitive story line is a direct consequence of Hollywood prioritizing wrong thing. I suspect this mess is the direct result of hiring writers not based on their work, but based on their Twitter feed and likes. Turns out these skill sets don't intersect much.
Come on, you know you want to say the word.
Re: Rings of neurodiverse Mary Sue (Score:2, Informative)
Well, it's a good thing they went to the source material instead of asking you. Galadriel was absolutely a warrior in Tolkien's writings. You're basing your limited understanding on the events of a couple years near the end of her 8,000+ year life.
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Plus she's an elf. A magical, basically immortal, fictional race.
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Not likely. The compression is so that the events of the Second Age can be presented as a narrative rather than a disjointed history of events. It also has the benefit of not having to recast all non-elves every couple of episodes because they're all passed.
The events of the Hobbit are thousands of years into the Third Age. Rings of Power will likely take us to the threshold of the Third Age when Sauron is overthrown in the Last Alliance. There's still lots of time in between for Galadriel to acquire her ma
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It's almost as if there are still 4 more seasons for her character to develop!
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So your entire argument is she looks too young?
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The problem with RoP is the budget was too high, so they threw everything at it. The producers pretty clearly just wanted to keep adding staff and characters.
As for awkwardly placed strong female characters, I know that really pisses dudes off, but chicks love it. Disney created Rey to basically be a Jedi Disney Princess and it worked. They made a ton of money off the core movies even though they're kinda crap (especially 2 and 3 which are just a mess). There's a ton of girl focused merchandise on Rey and girls love her. It's basically a whole new market.
Should creative writing choices be made based on Mary Sue characters? I don't know, ask John Wick. #notMyMarySue.
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Mary Sues are terrible characters, but we tend to love them anyway. There's a reason why the trope is so popular.
But if you can't see yourself in the Mary Sue the illusion is broken and you're left with just a bad, awkward character. It sticks out like a sore thumb and it hurts. You just want it to stop.
I get the same effect from most Isekai Anime. I can't stand Sword Art Onli
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Yes, a character that has been alive for thousands of years and is of a race that is more powerful than humans is good at lots of stuff. That's not a Mary Sue, that's just an accurately portrayed character.
Plus I love all the screaming over Mary Sues you hear all the time lately but you never hear a word over the countless male characters Hollywood has put out since forever that fit that mold.
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Sad to say that it's the fact that it's Mary Sue and not Marty Stu in many cases.
Luke goes from country bumpkin to breaking out of and then taking down the Empire's most powerful weapon in a starfighter he's never been near before, in about a week. Fine.
Rey crashers into the ground and loses to Ren, but displays some minor force abilities... Unacceptable.
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Luke breaks out of the Death Star with copious amounts of help from four VASTLY more competent people than him(Obi Wan, Han Solo, Leia Organa, and R2D2), and the extent of his flying an unfamiliar ship was get it to the trench and know exactly when to press a button, the last being something a barely trained force user is canonically able to tap into it for.
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I think you hit the nail on the head there. Far too much pointless, boring crap that we didn't care about because they hadn't made us care about the characters or their stories.
Rey was an okay character, basically a female version of Luke. TLJ would have given her some badly needed depth and her story some greater meaning, but then the screwed it all up in RoS by making her yet another fated to save the galaxy chosen one. The same as Luke really, he was supposed to have become a powerful Jedi but it ended u
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Far too much pointless, boring crap
This is how I feel whenever I see an article about any of these shows/movies
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As for awkwardly placed strong female characters, I know that really pisses dudes off, but chicks love it. Disney created Rey to basically be a Jedi Disney Princess and it worked. They made a ton of money off the core movies even though they're kinda crap (especially 2 and 3 which are just a mess). There's a ton of girl focused merchandise on Rey and girls love her. It's basically a whole new market.
When The Hobbit movies came out, I remember going "Oh blah, this Tauriel elf is a stupid addition. Who even cares about her!"
My friend's little girl LOVED Tauriel and dressed up like her for Halloween. It was a gateway drug to her into reading. I was enlightened. (Having said that, I have literally never met another girl child who liked, or even saw, The Hobbit).
OTOH, I literally don't think I have ever seen a girl child dress up like Rey or collect Rey merchandise. I've been to Disney in the last 5 years.
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Women kept Star Wars profitable and paid off the Lucus bill.
Disney has it a little more low key, it's not hammered as hard as some franchises because they don't want to turn off boys (and they didn't have 13 hours of movie like the Hobbit). But it's very much there, and a quick google search will find a ton of merchandise and even more fan art. There's also plenty of Rey kids costumes and while they're not gonna outpace run of the m
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so there wasn't enough time for individual characters to grow organically.
Good grief. How much time do they need?
The problem with RoP is the budget was too high, so they threw everything at it.
Except a script.
As for awkwardly placed strong female characters, I know that really pisses dudes off, but chicks love it. Disney created Rey to basically be a Jedi Disney Princess and it worked. They made a ton of money off the core movies even though they're kinda crap (especially 2 and 3 which are just a mess). There's a ton of girl focused merchandise on Rey and girls love her. It's basically a whole new market.
Sure but shit writing aimed at men/boys doesn't magically become good writing when aimed at women/girls.
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Yep, girls love her, which is why Rey merch flew off the shelves. Wait, no, sales fell through the floor. Moreover, TLJ destroyed future earnings in the franchise buly turning off all the old fans. Then they decided that destroying the one show that was collecting views(The Mandalorian) was a good idea. As the one in charge of Disney Star Wars KK quite probably destroyed the most earning potential of any fiction franchise ever. The Force is Female indeed.
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The irony is that the character Tolkien created and Peter Jackson showed on screen was always the epitome of a strong character. Not just physically strong, but powerful in a way that meant she didn't have to fall back on physical strength.
Well, she had possessed a ring of power for a while at that time right? I think the series so far has done a great job laying out the background here. Hopefully we will get hints on how the elven rings actually helps their wearers. Was always a mystery to me. I have no problem with how Galadriel is depicted in the series and hope the rings and what they do will play the central role here.
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It's more like choosing between a Galadriel/Sauron romcom with useless proto-hobbits that should have been set on fire and listening to GRRM make up excuses for why he can't turn out a book. Pass.
Re: rings of power is far better then dragon (Score:2)
Rings of Power is a bit slow. I'm hoping it's just issues of setting up lots of characters and various storylines.
On the other hand, House of the Dragon is laughably bad.
The show is bad because the entirety of season one can be summed up as: the dead king named his daughter heir, and his second wife contemplates usurping the throne.
That is enough plot to fill about 15 minutes.
The whole thing devolves into petulant whining by a host of unlikeable characters who never suffer any consequences for being retarde
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I'm speaking of "The Expanse," Season 3 specifically. S1 was fantastic! S2 was fantastic as well. Then along comes S3 and all 10 episodes seemed like they were just one, really long, single episode. There were a few side-plots but they just didn't seem well-thought-out, and not really integrated into the main plot (such as it was).
Considering how well it started, it seemed to take a sharp nose-dive in S3, and I've not yet watched S4/S5.
So I hope once I get around
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Are you grumpy from being up too late watching Gutfeld?
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Re: Woke on Woke (Score:5, Insightful)
Welcome to the dystopian cyberpunk future where if you don't like random CORPORATE_PRODUCT then you're a misogynist racist.
In all seriousness, American corporations are completely genius. I grew up in the 80s/90s when there was a great deal of fiction about evil megacorps (William Gibson, Neal Stephenson, Shadowrun, etc.). In these worlds the corporations ruled with force, monoplistic abuse, and incessant advertizing.
None of those authors ever imaged a future as insidious as what we're seeing today--consumers do the advertising for the corporations, and they shame and belittle those people who don't like the corporate media product for whatever reason.
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Yes, that's exactly what the other poster did. If someone else doesn't like corporate product, that person is racist and mysognistic and the Enemy.
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Welcome to the dystopian cyberpunk future where if you don't like random CORPORATE_PRODUCT then you're a misogynist racist.
Not really. People are called misogynist racists because they act like misogynist racists. It's one of the core problems of education of the masses. People see something they don't like, but they can't put their finger on why they don't like it. They fail to recognise that it's bad writing, poor character development or senseless plot that they are seeing and therefore rant about the only thing they can grasp.
Corporations are right to call out this stupidity. Rings of power may have been (in my opinion) bad
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no, he isn't saying anything even remotely resembling that, so why would you ask in such a retorted manner?
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So you are saying that if you didn't like Rings of Power, it is because "you're probably a misogynistic racist"?
I think he's saying that if you don't like Rings of Power just because it has powerful female and black characters, it might be because "you're probably a misogynistic racist". But that's just a stab in the dark on my part.
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Why do you think the casting is what it is? Because corporations give a fuck about racial or social sensitivities?
It's a critique squelcher. If you don't like the wooden acting, the ridiculous plot, the predictable outcome or the hack writing, it's not because you don't like the wooden acting, the ridiculous plot, the predictable outcome or the hack writing, it's because you are misogynist, racist or just plain Hitler.
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It's a critique squelcher. If you don't like the wooden acting, the ridiculous plot, the predictable outcome or the hack writing, it's not because you don't like the wooden acting, the ridiculous plot, the predictable outcome or the hack writing, it's because you are misogynist, racist or just plain Hitler.
Please don't give away the answer so early in the show.
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Sorry, I didn't know some kids weren't done with the assignment yet.